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Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue

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D beatty

01-16-2013 07:14:33
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The M,SuperM and 450 take the same intake and exhaust valves .




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rustred

01-16-2013 07:51:22
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to D beatty, 01-16-2013 07:14:33  
here is some #'s from my w-400 head when i had it rebuilt. valves: 362436 r1 length: 6.070 exhuast:36.i6 intake :15.01 i am sure that these are longer than the standard m valves. anybody have valves they can measure.



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D beatty

01-16-2013 11:22:56
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 07:51:22  
You better go back and look at your parts books again. Intake valve 362435R1 and exhaust valve 362436R1 fit M's, Super M's ,400's and 450s.



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rustred

01-16-2013 11:30:51
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to D beatty, 01-16-2013 11:22:56  
what is this # then? 50732da ...w-6 ex.valve?



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d beatty

01-16-2013 11:47:02
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 11:30:51  
Valves number 50731 (intake valve) and valve number 50732 ( exhaust valve) were used in heads number 8574DC and 8060D for W6.



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rustred

01-16-2013 12:14:30
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to d beatty, 01-16-2013 11:47:02  
sooo then how come the w6 and the farmall m have diff. valves or is it they did not use that same w6 head? i knew i run into diff. valves on the w-400 and i am sure it was the stem length. just want to know, now that it has me going.



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D beatty

01-16-2013 13:29:21
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 12:14:30  
Rustred I have to apolgize to you I just found some incosistency in my catalogs. I went into another catalog that they are specialists in only Farmall and IH parts and they give more information. They have the W6 and M as a 248 cubic inch gas engine but they use differant valves in the valve train and they give head numbers that where used. They have the SuperM,400 and 450 gas and LP as a 264 or 281 cubic inch engines and they use several differant head numbers and differant valves. When I do my rebuilding I don"t order out of catalogs I take parts and match up parts where ever I buy them.

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rustred

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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to D beatty, 01-16-2013 13:29:21  
ooh no problem, just good we got to the btm of this valve situation. thanks for the time spent. i just had a feeling that the 248 was different from the 281 in my w-400. i do the same with parts matching and just remembered this from about 10 yrs. ago.



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rustred

01-16-2013 09:02:40
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 07:51:22  
did some checking and they are NOT the same valves.



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Brady Miller

01-16-2013 09:20:55
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 09:02:40  
So I need different valve train assembly?



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Brady Miller

01-16-2013 08:36:08
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 07:51:22  

Here is a picture of the Distributor. I basically need to find top dead center #1. Spark plug cap at 3 o'clock, rotor in Distributor at 2 o'clock?



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rustred

01-16-2013 08:47:06
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to Brady Miller, 01-16-2013 08:36:08  
ok, now thats what i thought. that terminal with the wires needs to be at 3 oclock, which requires pulling the dist out and getting it in proper order.same with the plug wires there not correct either. now next step.



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rustred

01-16-2013 08:57:07
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 08:47:06  
now get #1 cyl. on compression at tdc.
take out the 2 dist bolts with clamps and pull out dist.
have cap off, turn rotor to 2 oclock as viewed from behind. hold dist so wire terminal is at 3 oclock and reinstall dist. leave bolts slightly loose.
recheck your timing marks on front pully make sure correct.
turn on ignition and rotate dist clockwise a bit, then turn counter clockwise till you just hear the spark snap. that is where you tighten the dist and you are timed.thats it. good luck

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Brady Miller

01-16-2013 09:19:52
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 08:57:07  
Remove the 2 bolts below the where the coil is bolted correct?



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rustred

01-16-2013 11:24:59
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to Brady Miller, 01-16-2013 09:19:52  
yes, and remove coil so can get at bolt behind.



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Brady Miller

01-16-2013 12:50:46
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 11:24:59  
Are we removing just the distrbutor or the distributor and the live hydraulic pump?



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rustred

01-16-2013 13:02:36
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to Brady Miller, 01-16-2013 12:50:46  
JUST distributer, the 2 5/16 bolts that takes a 1/2" wrench. that have a special clamp to allow the turning of dist. that is the only way you will get dist in proper position.you need to remove coil to get at inside bolt. absolutly no reason to remove pump or housing in front of pump.



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Brady Miller

01-16-2013 08:55:11
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to rustred, 01-16-2013 08:47:06  
So, that terminal is the cap that the plug wires plug into? or is it the single wire coming from the coil?



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rustred

01-16-2013 09:00:56
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 Re: Farmall SMTA Valve chatter issue in reply to Brady Miller, 01-16-2013 08:55:11  
the terminal that is jammed into the coil and preventing rotation. it has to be at 3 oclock not 12 oclock as pictured.



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