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Re: have i been wrong all my life?

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gene bender

12-02-2012 06:16:27
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I would say tractor data is a joke how can 25hp drawbar pull 3 14 plow like they did. Tons of those "data" site are full of crap poor info and the list goes on. Even the H has more HP than 25.




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John G. Hasler

12-02-2012 13:22:39
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to gene bender, 12-02-2012 06:16:27  
Pull is not power. You can get any amount of pull out of any size engine if you gear it down far enough and give it enough weight and big enough tires. My 544 can pull anything my 560 can and then some. Why? 18.4 tires with 900lb of CaCl solution in each. Yet I"d rather use the 560 for field work. Why? Because it does more acres per hour with a smaller implement than the 544 can with a bigger one. Power equals force times speed. "Pull" is just force. A 1hp winch can outpull your H but you wouldn"t want to plow with it.

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oldtanker

12-02-2012 13:59:30
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to John G. Hasler, 12-02-2012 13:22:39  
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Aw come on John......get that winch out and try it.....don't foget to post pictures.....LOL.



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John G. Hasler

12-02-2012 15:28:45
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to oldtanker, 12-02-2012 13:59:30  
Can"t say I"ve tried it or even seen any pictures, but it"s said that plowing was sometimes done in Germany and England around the beginning of the previous century by using a large steam engine to pull a gang of plows across a field with cables.

As to seeing if the 544 can outpull a winch, I"d have to find something to rig the winch to that the 544 couldn"t pull out of the ground. I"m not sure I own anything that stout since the old elm died.

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Leroy

12-02-2012 08:20:51
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to gene bender, 12-02-2012 06:16:27  
You go back farther and the 15-30 was rated at the 15 horse on drawbar and it would pull the 3 bottom and later it was rerated at 22-?? and was a 4 plow tractor.



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Old-F20

12-02-2012 08:53:32
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to Leroy, 12-02-2012 08:20:51  
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you really cant compare pre 39 egines to those of an H or M. they made their power in two different ways. heavy flywheels, long strokes and big bores make for torque monster engines with fairly low HP in regards to thier CID. 15-30's and 22-36's got power from the momentum of a 100 pound flywheel and heavy internal engine parts. one other thing is that the CID of a 22-36 was 425 cubic inches.

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Leroy

12-02-2012 18:59:08
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to Old-F20, 12-02-2012 08:53:32  
All I was doing was talking about the power ratings, not about how they made the power, Rating was still 15 DB HP for 3 bottom and a 10-20 was 10 DB HP for a 2 bottom so you cannot go by ratings.



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MisterT

12-02-2012 07:28:24
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 Re: have i been wrong all my life? in reply to gene bender, 12-02-2012 06:16:27  
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Except in this case, "tractor-data" is correct. The horesepower ratings given are NOT actual engine horsepower ratings, but rather the ratings measured where the actual WORK will be taking place. You can go out and buy a garden tractor with a Briggs and Stratton engine that is rated at 25 horsepower, but I guarantee that garden tractor will not do the same work as a Farmall H, and as a further for instance, Before we even had tractors, farmers used horses, and just two big old workhorses were able to pull a one bottom plow, so why would a 25 horsepower Farmall H not be able to pull a 2-14s plow?

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