Viscosity of Hy-Tran

Super-H-Mike · Oct 5, 2012

I have recently been given a 30 gallon barrel of new Hy-Tran oil and am wondering what all I can use it with. What is the viscosity of this fluid? Lift-All ? Letter series rear end? It does seem thinner than 80 wieght. All my tractors are older than 1954.

old · Oct 5, 2012

It is something close to a 20W or 30W oil but made with additives to work as a hyd oil or a transmission oil or even the rear ends.

CNKS · Oct 5, 2012

Equivalent to SAE 10. Use in any tractor with a TA. You can use it in the letter series, trans/rear end but it might leak, and it does not slow the gears as much as 90, etc. OK in old lift all, and should be used in any tractor with a live pump.

John G. Hasler · Oct 5, 2012

A quick Web search indicates that the viscosity of Hy-Tran is equivalent to SAE 10W30. In addition to any application calling for hydraulic fluid I"d use it in any none-high-temperature application calling for SAE 30 oil. I wouldn"t use it in an engine.

Super-H-Mike · Oct 5, 2012

Thanks gentlemen. I may elect to use it in my non-working tractors rear diffs,because I got the oil free and at least one of those tractors has some moisture in the current rear end oil. And the Lift-Alls of any of them.

LJD · Oct 5, 2012

80W is a gear-oil designation that is roughly equal to 30W engine oil.

Using engine oil viscosity numbers, combo-trans/hydraulic oil from all the big suppliers is 20W for regular grade and 10W for winter-grade.

CNKS · Oct 5, 2012

John, Hytran is not multivis, it is single grade SAE 10. I think I saw the same post that you did, that doesn't mean it is correct. In trying to ease the shifting in my 460 I am now using a SAE 20 version, it does not cure the problem, but helps.

pete 23 · Oct 5, 2012

I see there is no agreement on the viscosity of HY-Tran fluid. We are always told in service training it was multi grade. It does hold it's viscosity very well when it gets hot which indicates it has substantial viscosity index improvers
added. Earl Kramer preached this many times. There was two weights back in the 90's but I don't know if there still is and I never saw the lighter weight. It was for severe cold weather operation.

Jim Becker · Oct 5, 2012

I don't believe the viscosity index of HyTran matches up with any motor oil, straight weight or multiweight. As I recall, depending on the temperature you are looking at, it is somewhere in the 10 or 20 range of motor oil.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 6, 2012

Hytran is an ISO46 and it is a straight weight.

scotc · Oct 6, 2012

Case also sells an HTO additive, if my memory is right, that you mix at a certain ratio with 10w-30 for use in hydraulic systems.

mkirsch · Oct 6, 2012

If we're going to get fussy about oil here, then the "W" is not used with a single-viscosity oil.

The W stands for WINTER, and is only used in conjunction with multi-viscosity oils, such as 10W30.

There is no such thing as "30W" oil. It is SAE 30, or 30 weight.

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Jim Becker · Oct 6, 2012

Yes W is for "winter". True there is no 30W. However, there are 10W and 20W.

mkirsch · Oct 7, 2012

So what weight are they in summer?

That makes no sense. What good is a "winter" rating on a single-grade oil?

Jim Becker · Oct 7, 2012

A lot of things don't make sense until you understand them. This is getting far from the original question in this thread, but here goes.

The winter weight oils have to meet a set of viscosity specifications that are mostly separate from the other weights of oil. The only common viscosity spec is minimum kinematic viscosity at 100 degrees C. Additional specs for winter oils are all at lower temperatures, for non-winter oil the others are all at 100 degree or higher temperatures.

The winter oils each have a maximum viscosity at a specified low temperature that varies by each weight. They also have a maximum pour point/pumping temperature for each viscosity rating.

The non-winter grades do not have to meet any of the low temperature tests but have to maintain minumum shear rate viscosities at 100 and 150 degrees centigrade.

Multi-weight oils, such as 10W30 use viscosity index improvers that allow them to pass both the low temperature tests of a 10W grade oil and the high temperature tests of 30 grade. Straight grade oils do not contain viscosity index improvers.

Simple isn't it?

TheDurk · Oct 7, 2012

I just thought I would post this from Wikipedia. It was news to me but just as Jim said:

[b:c7fc50ac17]Single-grade[/b:c7fc50ac17]

A single-grade engine oil, as defined by SAE J300, cannot use a polymeric Viscosity Index Improver (also referred to as Viscosity Modifier) additive. SAE J300 has established eleven viscosity grades, [b:c7fc50ac17]of which six are considered Winter-grades and given a W designation.[/b:c7fc50ac17] The 11 viscosity grades are 0W, 5W, 10W, 15W, 20W, 25W, 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60. These numbers are often referred to as the "weight" of a motor oil, and single-grade motor oils are often called "straight-weight" oils.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil#Single-grade

Plus a little bit of motor oil trivia(same source):

Also, if an oil does not contain any VIIs, and can pass as a multi-grade, that oil can be labelled with either of the two SAE viscosity grades. For example, a very simple multi-grade oil that can be easily made with modern base oils without any VII is a 20W-20. This oil can be labeled as 20W-20, 20W, or 20. Note, if any VIIs are used however, then that oil cannot be labeled as a single grade.

So there really is no such thing as an SAE 10. There is ONLY 10W.

Jon Hagen · Oct 7, 2012

We have a reversed W9 used as a loader tractor with rear mounted loader. We use modern Hytran in the transmission and rear to ease winter shifting and ease of churning cold oil. You get a little more gear noise with the lighter oil, but no problems with leaks. I would have no fear about using it in something used hard, as newer tractors that use hytran as a combo hyd and trans fluid have much higher gear loading than the old guys, yet have no excess wear problems.

dej(Jed) · Oct 9, 2012

(quoted from post at 14:18:11 10/05/12) I have recently been given a 30 gallon barrel of new Hy-Tran oil and am wondering what all I can use it with. What is the viscosity of this fluid? Lift-All ? Letter series rear end? It does seem thinner than 80 wieght. All my tractors are older than 1954.

I have been a certified lubrication specialist for a number of years now and I am amazed at what I have just read.

pogobill · Apr 3, 2017

I'm with Jed! free 30 gallons! It's $100.00 or more here for a 5 gallon pail! Hope it's not actually used!?!
Regardless, I have just purchased a '57 Case 320 and I am going to do a full service on it before I start to work with it. I have a pail and a half of hytran ultratraction left over from servicing my Farmall and I plan on using it in the hydraulic tank that feeds that FEL and the Backhoe. The original service manual calls for a SAE 10 oil, so I'm thinking that the information on this thread would indicate that the hytran would be the equivalent oil for use in this day and age. I'm thinking that if I am careful and keep my oil clean during a service, I should be able to use the old oil out of my 2004 farmall for use in the old Case hydraulics... maybe? It usually only has 300 hour very easy hours on it between services.

Whiskey Bent · Apr 3, 2017

I think I would sell it and use the correct oil for your older tractors. If its new you will have no trouble selling it and you will be $ ahead and piece of mind using the correct oils!

BarnyardEngineering · Apr 4, 2017

Guys, this thread is from FIVE YEARS AGO!

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