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procaptainbob

10-02-2012 07:45:48
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Cub won't start w/ stater and will hand crank. Bought new battery and replacement starter. cranks too slow and seems to run battery down in a couple tries. any idea on cause?




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gene bender

10-03-2012 06:31:04
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
Time to pull the starter and rebuild before you ruin it completely. Just take it to a shop that does them as your C ub will start very quick with a good starter only a 60 cuin engine very easy for a good starter to turn over.



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Janicholson

10-02-2012 17:20:56
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
A starter draw meter is cheap. it is held to the battery cable, and read while cranking (be safe when off the tractor). The cub should draw less than 200 amps. If it tries to peg the needle, the starter motor is drawing way too much current. It could be an internal short to ground. As it is a rebuilt. Try it out on the ground with jumper cables. hold it down with serious foot pressure, as they react radically if working. A wrong drive pinion could cause gear conflict at the Ring gear, but not very likely. A bad battery will also make the same symptoms, but with poor performance on the (purchased) Starter Amp gauge. If that is a good battery, and good starter, the cub will spin easily. Jim

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procaptainbob

10-06-2012 04:22:31
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to Janicholson, 10-02-2012 17:20:56  
thanks I'll try the meter and ground test starter. this is the third starter and the last one finally quit after getting slower as I tried over the weeks to resolve. I am wondering if I have a problem with the bendix binding on the flywheel. Any ideas on how to find out if problem is is with the flywheel?



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mkirsch

10-02-2012 13:40:00
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
You don't need 00 cables for a Cub. 2ga is plenty. 0 is definitely wasted money. It doesn't crank over that hard.

00 is needed for an M because you're trying to crank over 4 times as much engine with the same battery and same starter motor.

ALL connections need to be cleaned. If the cables have those temporary clamp-on replacement ends, they need to be taken apart and cleaned too. Cut and strip fresh cable to clamp in the end. Better yet, replace the whole cable with one that has soldered & crimped ends.

How long are your tries? I know sometimes people will consider a "try" 3 minutes of continuous cranking...

No more than 30 seconds of cranking per try. Frankly if you crank more than 5 seconds with no start, STOP CRANKING. It's not going to start.

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ken house

10-02-2012 08:59:24
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
6 v or 12v?
could be starter problem.
could be cable/ground problem.



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old

10-02-2012 08:50:06
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
Poor connection or bad battery cables or cables that are to small.



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Denny ('60 Lo-Boy)

10-02-2012 08:01:58
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to LaDuke Farmall, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
Clean up all your battery connections and grounds. Many times battery cabling gets replaced by too small 12 volt sized cables. Six volt systems require larger cables and good connections to transfer the power.



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Andrew Z

10-02-2012 07:59:14
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 07:45:48  
Mag or distributor Ignition?

Andrew

This post was edited by Andrew Z at 08:01:08 10/02/12.



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procaptainbob

10-02-2012 09:57:41
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to Andrew Z, 10-02-2012 07:59:14  
it is a 6v + ground w/ distributor. will double check connections but i read good voltage at starter frame to - post on starter and I added a jumper cable from + battery to frame w/ no change.



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teddy52food

10-02-2012 10:03:24
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 09:57:41  
What does the voltage drop down to when using the starter?



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procaptainbob

10-02-2012 11:38:40
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to teddy52food, 10-02-2012 10:03:24  
After cleaning cable connecters still no start. While trying the voltage drops to as low as 5.3. the cub wont even start with the hand crank below about 6.3. Is it possable that something internally is dragging down the starter and still allowing me to hand crank a start?



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Andrew Z

10-02-2012 11:38:22
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to teddy52food, 10-02-2012 10:03:24  
exactly, the starter is drawing to much, and not able to supply the coil with enough voltage.

Andrew



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procaptainbob

10-02-2012 11:46:12
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to Andrew Z, 10-02-2012 11:38:22  
does that mean the reconditioned starter I just bought needs to be replaced? Or since the previous starter was doing the same thing that the problem is elsewhere? if so where?



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Andrew Z

10-02-2012 12:04:10
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 Re: farmall cub starting problem in reply to procaptainbob, 10-02-2012 11:46:12  
Like the others said you need a good 6v battery and heavy 00 cables for everything to work %100.


Andrew



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