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danhughes 07-25-2012 10:59:50 70.60.1.217 Report to Moderator	Whats the deal? Is one better than the other or is it all peace of mind? [Reply]   [No Email]
dej(Jed) 07-27-2012 08:16:30 141.189.251.1 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   Guys I can't believe the old wifes tales about oils that I hear on this site. I ran the API yearly audit program for many years. There is very little if any difference between the oils mentioned. Oils are made mostly by Jobbers who use spot market additives and base oils. There is no unique production facilities. All you have to do is read the bottle. It tells you right on it who packaged the oil. LOL (fuelsandlubestechnologies.org) [Reply]  [No Email]
colekicker 07-28-2012 06:38:05 12.181.125.154 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to dej(Jed), 07-27-2012 08:16:30   If you ran the API audit program then you know there is no industry specs for hydraulic oil. There is an API spec for engine oil. [Reply]  [No Email]
mkirsch 07-27-2012 05:47:39 64.80.110.75 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   With all due respect colekicker, what kind of training did you go to? What do you think they're going to tell you in a training session like that? Do you think CNH is going to tell you it's okay to use Deere oil? No, they're going to tell you that their brand oil is the ONLY one that will work, and using any other oil will rip open the space-time continuum and destroy the universe!!! It was a corporate brainwashing session, not training. If 10 vs 10W30 was the best "difference" you could come up with to stake your claim of "impossible to meet all specifications" on... Oil specifications tend to be minimums, or a range, not precise numbers. So the HyTran spec is likely to be a MINIMUM of SAE 10 viscosity. 10W30 meets that minimum. Besides why wouldn't you want an oil that stays thicker longer in a high-heat application like hydraulics? [Reply]  [No Email]
colekicker 07-27-2012 16:33:46 12.181.125.154 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to mkirsch, 07-27-2012 05:47:39   With all due respect mkirsch, I worked for CNH Parts & Service, a division of CNH that supports the brands. I am now working for a different division of CNH. I have traveled with reps from Viscosity Oil. This company is the only company that has ever produced the additive package for HyTran. It is produced in the USA and shipped around the world. Honestly, from the lube seminars we put on for customers, we told them that if you don't want to use our oil fine. We highly suggest you use an OEM oil that has a robust additive package that has been highly tested. We have done tests. Heated o-rings in oil for example. One in the yellow bucket oil and another in HyTran. Heated to the same temperature and held there for 12 hours (long work day). The o- rings from the yellow bucket oil became brittle. The HyTran o- rings remained supple and flexible. The additive package made the difference. Do you know how much oil is in a 5 gallon bucket of HyTran? A little over 4 gallons. No, that's not why the bucket wasn't filled to the top, it had about a gallon of additives in it. You still missed the point about these companies meeting the specs. Most of these all makes oils are 20wt oils. It would not meet the specs of a 10w30 then would it? It also wouldn't meet the specs of a 10wt. So, if it is lying on the bucket that it meets both specs, what else are they fudging. But lets talk about the specs. How do these other companies know the specs? There is no spec rating for hydraulic oil. Honest. There is an API spec for engine oils, but not hydraulic oils. So, CNH knows their specs, Deere knows theres, AGCO knows theres. How do these independent companies know exactly what they have as a spec for each additive package? The answer is they don't You asked why you wouldn't want an oil heavier than lighter? Well, when an oil creates too much resistance in a pump, seals get blown. This is one reaction. Horsepower loss can also occur. Hydraulic valves may not function properly either. Usually, all these get blamed on the tractor, not the cheap oil. To your comment about corporate brainwashing, you are wrong. Facts are hard to argue. If you still feel that you are correct and I am just brainwashed, let me leave you with this challenge. What oil do you use in your car? Walmart sells this oil called Accel. I mean a heavier oil is fine and why would you want one of those multi-viscosity oils anyways, so just get the straight 30 weight. Your truck might call for 15w40, so it meets in the middle. I mean they probably put some 15wt and 40wt in that oil anyways, so 30wt will be fine. Interesting thing about the back of this Accel oil. Here's what the bottle says (taken off Walmart's site):ACCEL Non-Detergent 30W Motor Oil, 1 qt: Recommended for compressors and hydraulic systems that require non-detergent oils Effective in lubrication of bearings and chains in non-critical "once through" systems Economical Good shear stability Good lubricity Straight mineral oil Good flow characteristics Oh, it also says this: Not for use in automotive gasoline engines Soooo.....since you have the attitude that all oils are the same, why don't you start using this as your new oil in your car or truck. [Reply]  [No Email]
RPM1941 07-26-2012 16:56:29 173.23.76.185 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   IF its a older IH machine any generic hydraulic oil that you feel is reputable is ok, just change it yearly especially if its color changes, the newer CNH such as Magnums I would get it from dealer, The savings isnt worth the chance on newer units. My old shop foreman I worked with for 30 years said it wasnt the kind of oil but the lack of it was the problem. [Reply]  [No Email]
colekicker 07-26-2012 09:19:59 12.181.125.154 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   Honestly guys, I have been through training on this product. The packaging will usually say that it meets the specs for CIH, Ford and Deere. This is interesting, because there is no way one oil can meet the specs for all three. It is IMPOSSIBLE. HyTran is a 10wt oil. Ambra (New Holland) is a 10w30. For some of you that have CIH and NH, you'll recognize the name MasterTran and Nexplore. MasterTran is the same as HyTran. It's used in North American built tractors. Ambra and Nexplore are the same. They are used in overseas built units. Guys, the oils are completely different. The problem is that these one-fit manufacturers can't meet both specs for even the correct weight of oil. Would you put a 10w30 oil in your diesel tractor when it calls for 15w40? Probably not. So why does everyone want to do it with hydraulic oil? The real question though is if they are not correct on their weights of the oils, what else are they incorrect about? Does anybody know where TSC, Mystic and the like are out testing CIH, NH and JD equipment to make sure this oil works correctly? I'd really like to see that test facility. I wonder how many hours they put on those tractors? Give me a break. [Reply]  [No Email]
caterpillar guy 07-26-2012 01:50:53 66.227.141.21 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   We have been running off brand oil for over 20 years with no known oil related failures. We did not buy the no brand TSC or such oil either. Not saying there is anything wrong with it just never ran it. Our oil distributors which there are several in my area all carried an oil for that use. [Reply]  [No Email]
Thad Barker 07-25-2012 19:18:11 216.105.214.59 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   CaseI.H. doesnt have there own oil refinery, Hy-tran is being made by one of the major oil companies to cih specs. With that in mind I think any of the popular brands that meet that spec. would be ok. [Reply]  [No Email]
colekicker 07-25-2012 22:31:42 12.181.125.154 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to Thad Barker, 07-25-2012 19:18:11   Wrong. http://www.viscosityoil.com/hy-tran.htm Viscosity Oil is the only company that has ever produced HyTran. They are the company that came up with the formula when IH went to them when they were having issues with the 460/560. Honestly, it has a superior additive package and can hold 1% of its volume in water without having additive fall out. [Reply]  [No Email]
johndeere720diesel 07-25-2012 15:58:45 64.135.196.20 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   I believe as long as it meets specs its ok. Been running non hy-tran for a couple years in two tractors no problems. When my dad went to change all the fiuld in the 970 case he asked the parts man at dealer what the difference was and the response was "I can't tell you that" [Reply]  [No Email]
FC Andy 07-25-2012 14:56:41 74.126.84.52 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   I buy Hy-Tran. Pricey, I know, But I've had the Universal Transmission Hydraulic fliuds leak straight out of a machine where Hy-Tran didn't. Just My $.02. -Andy [Reply]  [No Email]
d282 07-25-2012 14:56:02 166.182.3.47 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   Hy Tran only. [Reply]  [No Email]
MN Mike 07-25-2012 11:17:53 216.77.154.39 Report to Moderator	Re: Hy Tran Or Mystik JT5 in reply to danhughes, 07-25-2012 10:59:50   I check for 1) meets IH specs and the 2) price. if they are both IH compatible I buy the cheaper one. [Reply]  [No Email]