Paint code for Farmall Super A

Can anyone give me a PPG or Dupont paint code for a 49-50 Super A Farmall red & silver I cannot get a straight answer from anyone.

maybee here:

http://www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Paint%2C%20Decals%20&%20Other%20Finish%20Questions/Farmall%20Paint%20Chart%20-%2001.htm

or here:

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=pbwork&th=16174

or here:

http://www.ytmag.com/farmall/messages/511119.html

hello:
the Wisconsin historical society has an extensive history of the company, including paint codes for tractors and implements. They list tractors as harvester red #50. If you look on this site to the left under research and info there is a listing for paint codes. The modern harvester red 7410 dulux or tp 110 tisco is a little darker than the original harvester red #50 older one turns a bit orange as it fades or is sunbleached. In Canada Canadian Tire Co. carries harvester red in large rattle cans or in 1 litre paint cans.
Kris

The IH number was IH 1102B, not sure that can be mixed. You can use the 1936-mid 1949 cross of IH 50 to PPG 70019, or the IH 2150/PPG 71310. IH 2150 did not appear until 1961, but is used by "most" people. The rims were galvanized so there is no official color. I use PPG 8568, a silver-gray GM rally wheel color. 71310 will have an orange tint to it, depending on what color your eyes see, it may or may not be a problem. Bear in mind, that due to the time involved and EPA regulations, that the original colors do not exist anymore. That is about as straight an answer as you will find.

Also IH 50 crosses to DuPont 7410 (forget the dulux part, it does not exist anymore and this site is out of date as far as colors go). IH 2150 crosses to DuPont 96766. I do not know if 96766 will have an orange tint, as I have only used the 71310 version. Paints from different manufacturers of the same IH code will be different. -- So don't let anyone tell you your color is wrong. Just stay away from the farm store paints, no one knows what IH number they represent.

(quoted from post at 19:38:21 01/03/12) Also IH 50 crosses to DuPont 7410 (forget the dulux part, it does not exist anymore and this site is out of date as far as colors go). IH 2150 crosses to DuPont 96766. I do not know if 96766 will have an orange tint, as I have only used the 71310 version. Paints from different manufacturers of the same IH code will be different. -- So don't let anyone tell you your color is wrong. Just stay away from the tractor store paints.

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So does that mean buy a pint of each and spray them to test? (that is a serious question)

We need a list of people with examples. Then maybe a search by zip code thing like the store locaters use. Then we could see the who has what color and how close. :lol:

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(quoted from post at 19:38:21 01/03/12) Also IH 50 crosses to DuPont 7410 (forget the dulux part, it does not exist anymore and this site is out of date as far as colors go). IH 2150 crosses to DuPont 96766. I do not know if 96766 will have an orange tint, as I have only used the 71310 version. Paints from different manufacturers of the same IH code will be different. -- So don't let anyone tell you your color is wrong. Just stay away from the tractor store paints.

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So does that mean buy a pint of each and spray them to test? (that is a serious question)

We need a list of people with examples. Then maybe a search by zip code thing like the store locaters use. Then we could see the who has what color and how close. :lol:

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You would have to see the actual tractors -- pictures on this site or any site do not show accurate colors. I had my PPG dealer change the toners in 71310 to get rid of the orange, I got rid of part of it, but I am so used to that color now it doesn't bother me. As I said, it is very hard to get the "correct" color because it does not exist anymore, and I doubt there is anyone alive who can really pick the right color, simply because it was too long ago. Too much emphasis is placed on the exact shade. I drove a 47 H in the 50's that was factory painted with IH 50. It was repainted in 1955 with 1102B -- or should have been, no one paid any attention to color codes then. As the old paint was faded, the new paint looked great. I don't remember it being a different shade, if any, except that it didn't have an orange tint.

That is what I meant. Pictures are a joke. I could do a pressure wash and paint with farm store rattle cans and it would look good on the website.

I'm going through the same thing for a 48 super A I need to paint.

Apparently 48's used the IH50 - then they changed to the 2150 paint after that - and back and forth and who knows what.

makes your head spin.

It seems like the bottom line is that it REALLY doesn't matter.

Keep in mind these were (and are) trators, not sports cars. I don't think IH really cared that much to make each one perfect, and even less about making them perfectly the same.

I'll guarantee that you could put two brand new tractors, made the same year, side by side and see a color difference between the two.

So there really ISN'T an answer to the question. It's not that people are being evasive or vague. The answer is you need farmall red-ish. So you might as well pick the shade that YOU like the most.

Living in an age where technology allows quality standards to be much more rigid, it took me a while to accept that loose answer myself.

But when you consider they only had eyeballs to evaluate color spectrums back then, it makes a lot more sense.

Choose your color they way they did - find what you think is the right color, and paint with what looks the closest to it.

My Super A is painted with the Dupont 96766. Dupont calls it "American LaFrance Red." Once it is applied it is a beautiful red, not orange-y. Guy Fay's originality guide indicates that 2150 is so close to IH 50 that you can't tell the difference.

Al

I agree, except that the IH archives say the sequence was IH 50, IH 1102B, IH 201, and IH 2150. 50 was 1936-mid year 1949; 1102B mid 1949-1958; 201 1958-1961 (460-560, ect); 2150, 1961-up with the introduction of the 404-504 etc. Was changed to some other shade in the 70's, I think.