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another wasted trip to the IH dealer

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I went to the local IH dealer today looking for new boots for my SC touch control. Jimmy was his same old cordial self. (tho he probably mumbles under his breath each time he sees me coming) He knew exactly what I was talking about and looked them up in a mater of a seconds. I knew I was in trouble when he exclaimed "WoW" as he looked up the prices, and started giggling. $45.50 for each cylinder boot and $13.50 for each control valve boot. That is $118 plus tax, for 4 rather small leather boots.

I thanked Jimmy for his time and patience and as is typical, I left empty handed AGAIN.
There has to be another boot that will work or
I'll bet I can make something that will work for a few dollars. I can't imagine farming for a living and having to pay those high prices for parts for a machine I HAVE TO FIX.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind paying for parts. It's just I hate the felling I am being taken to the cleaners..
 
Messicks is a little cheaper for the boot $38, still real high for not a lot of part though...


Andrew
 
There's a lot more to it than just the amount of material in the part.

Oh, they get their pound of flesh for sure, but it's not nearly as big a piece of that $45 as you think.
 
Wouldnt a call or some internet research have saved that trip? Seems to me you wasted your own trip, not them wasting it for you. I agree, not a lot of part for the money. But the fact is, kudos to them for supporting these old girls. The setup costs to make these parts are the same if you sell 100 or 100,000 parts a year. My best advice is....do the research, buy the machines and material, make the parts.....and see what you need to sell them for to come out. I really don't mean this as harsh as it sounds, but it does cost more than most people think to maintain parts support for older stuff that there is a small market for.
 
If these parts are NOS and not currently produced by CIH then plan to pay for them. If you don't like the IH price then see if you can get a chinky version from Steiner or another aftermarket source.

Finally broke down and rebuilt the fast hitch on my 560 last year as we hadn't touched it since it was new in 62... less than half a dozen bushings ran me in excess of $200... Heck, .002 under rod bearings for the super A were $104 last year... The ones in it were standards and original as they were dated 1954...It's the price of doing business... Heckuva lot easier to cultivate acres of sweet corn with the Super A than with a hoe and my back...

If you are using the equipment the price is easier to chew on vs a trailer / show queen sitting in a shed or putting down the road...

I must be "privileged" as my CIH dealer is a pleasure to deal with. Sort of like family and always a nice experience. Plus they stock just about everything I need to keep my old junk running so I can keep farming...
 
Kinda amazing tho that you can still go to a dealer of a company that's changed hands several times and still buy a part for a 55+ year old tractor that's long obsolete. Try doing that with your 50's GM, Ford or dodge car or truck, they would laugh you out of the dealership! Heck, even Deere or other tractor company's don't support their old machines as good as CIH does. If you want to get sticker shock, price some electrical parts for the new tractors. Not unusual for some modules and wiring harnesses to run several thousand dollars. A secondary water pump for my 08 Deere 7130 loader tractor lists for over two grand, its variable vane turbo four grand.
 
Oh heck, It is 2010, and the last time I filled up with gas it cost me $65. Times that by 2 and it is more than the cost of small parts that will last many years. $100 today is like a $20 was 30 years ago. I am just happy that most of the older IHC Farmall parts are avalible. Bite the bullet, the old tractor is worth it. Dandy Dave!
 
I recon it was just sticker shock. Because I feel like I have been taken every time I walk out of there.
Possibly an adjustment in attitude or expectations is in order as I agree with almost everything said so far. The parts guy is extremely knowledgeable, always a pleasure to deal with and I do appreciate them supporting my tractors. And i am NOT a fan of made in everywhere else parts.
 

If it makes you feel any better I priced the hard lines that feed the fast hitch / touch control block under the seat of my 560... They run from the valve under the dash... NOS from CIH, in stock in Indy, was right around $660 + shipping... An hour of my time with the torch and a rod of brass took care of my leaky set...

One has to realize that first and fore-most, farm equipment, even antiquated is a business asset used to generate income. Components for them are not consumer grade items such as you would find at the local Walmart or Meijer. Volume is not necessarily high and therefore piece price is more. NOS that was made 20 years ago and has been sitting on a shelf in a warehouse costs that company money every day in taxes, storage, so on and so forth. Plus they are no longer growing on trees.

If it wasn't for the aftermarket (and foreign) offerings by Steiner, OEM, etc the antique tractor "hobby" wouldn't be nearly as large and in depth as it is...
 
I worked in a Case IH dealership in the parts department for two years. I love it how everybody on this forum complains about foreign parts and says buy from Case. I hate to tell you folks probably over 50% of case ih parts are imported. Alot from mexico and alot from england. Next time you get a box from case look at the label on it and it will say where it's made.
 
You might do some checking around. A former co-worker needed a shifter boot for a small Ford tractor, found out one from a VW works just as well and cost about half as much.
 
Yup, the main one for the engine and a small one behind the fan. The small one pumps water thru the intercooler, transmission/hydraulic cooler and the egr cooler. This tractor has 1/2 coolant hoses running all over the place and they like to leak in cold weather. It even has a 1/4 line running to and from the variable vane turbo actuator. Lots of stuff to go bad and many gold plated parts for Deere to sell in the future.
 
Take a look at the link for the boots I made for my SC. All you need is the old boot to open up and use for a template. Cut the leather (I used one of my deer hides) and take it to your local shoe repair guy to get sown. Cost me Under $20 for all four.
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I went through this a year ago, bought some generic boots for CV joints and tried to make them work to no avail. I drug out the old boots which were in remarkably good shape for 60 years, and even though one had a small hole I cleaned them up, put silicone on the hole and put them back on. May last another 20 years in which case I likely will not care. I was surprised at how well they held up and still were fairly pliable, and I know I had grown up around this tractor and this was the first time the touch control had been rebuilt, and I am now 50 years old, and dad owned it before I was born.
 
The local IH/whatever dealer counter person cordially mention they're a "industrial farming store". I figured it was his way of saying "get the hell outta my store". As my bearing needs were less than $50. Smaller hp and especially Older machinery doesn't get much respect in my area. I try to go to any "will fit" generic parts vendor that I can find and then lie about what it fits just to get waited on. Some one once mention using motocross motorcyle shock boots for something like that. Good luck with the parts people though. bjr
 
A little cheaper at my dealer, about $111, I was glad to get them. I usually don't flinch, as I expect those prices, at least I can get parts. I did look somewhere else when IH wanted $700 for a 460 PTO band.
 
On this note, a couple years ago I bought a brand new guard for the sickle mower from the dealer. Says made in Korea right on it! However, it was absolutely identical to the originals.
 
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