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International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility

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cleb

12-27-2009 19:14:46
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We just got a 240 utility (yesterday) and found a international 2000 front end loader for $300 on criagslist... does anyone know if we could run this combo off the stock hydraulics or would we need to run another pump. The stock pump was replaced about 10 years ago (got the receipt) and works the front snow plow now. There is a separate pump for the power steering.

Another option is a friend has a 8n front end loader (do not know the make or any info yet) that is probably smaller but I have to check to see if it would fit...

I linked to some pics on my site of the tractor.

thanks

Chris

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PaulW_NJ

12-30-2009 21:05:50
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to Bob, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  

cleb said: (quoted from post at 12:10:44 12/29/09) thanks again for your help... so I can cross the 1501 off my list... I we just looking for a lighter duty loader... I saw in another thread the 1501 was listed as being a lighter duty unit...

the 2000 is still listed... things don't tend to move very quickly in this neck of the woods... it just seemed from reading peoples responses that this was to big a loader for the 240...
any recommendations for units to look out for the might be of a better size?

thanks again

Chris


According to my IH loader brochure, the 2000 loader is about 500 lbs heavier than the 1701, and about 550 lbs heavier than the 1501. The lift capacity of the 2000 and 1701 loaders is about 2000-2500 lbs, while that of the 1501 is 1300 lbs. (These loads are "to full extension". Partial lift capacities are considerably higher . . . 4000 vs 1600 lbs for the 2000 vs 1501 loaders). Most of us don't use these loaders for digging, where most of the frame stress originates, but rather for lifting and carrying. Bottom line is that the 1501 is a considerably lighter structure than the others.

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IH fan

12-29-2009 16:25:35
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
I have a 240U with a Wagner-IH loader. It's a pipe loader, but is a pretty substantial pipe loader witha 2 cylinder hydraulic bucket. From the existing plumbing on the tractor, it appears that it was hooked to the tractor pump at one time in it's life, but when the PS was added, it took enough flow away that a separate crankshaft driven pump was added. The loader works plenty fast now, but the 3 point (just like your 3 point) is starved when the engine is idled down.

As for an upgrade from your 8N, you have the advantage of live hydraulics, more weight and a few more HP, but the drawbar pull will be better, due mainly to the lower gearing, not HP. The engine is rated at 40, but the Pto is closer to 30 and the DB more like 26-28. I may be off, but I believe the pto on the early 8Ns was 22 and later 26HP. You will no doubt find you need more weight on the rear like I need... still looking for weights for 24" wheels. Have found some for 28", but the 24s seem harder to locate.

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cleb

12-29-2009 11:10:44
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
thanks again for your help... so I can cross the 1501 off my list... I we just looking for a lighter duty loader... I saw in another thread the 1501 was listed as being a lighter duty unit...

the 2000 is still listed... things don't tend to move very quickly in this neck of the woods... it just seemed from reading peoples responses that this was to big a loader for the 240...

any recommendations for units to look out for the might be of a better size?

thanks again

Chris

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mkirsch

12-29-2009 09:44:52
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
A 1501 loader is a good way to make a 240U into scrap iron.

IIRC, the 1501 loader has no subframe, and relies entirely on the tractor's frame rails for support. Since the 240U has no frame rails, all the stress will be placed on the engine, and the engine will split at some point.

Yes, the 1501 will fit some frameless Utility tractors, but they are much larger. Example: 460 Utility

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Jim Becker

12-29-2009 08:04:11
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
My point wasn't that the loader had 240 brackets with it. It was that IH designed the loader so it COULD fit the 240 and made the correct brackets. The 1501 was not designed for the 240 and IH didn't make brackets for it. It is easier to build a missing part than it is to reengineer two things that weren't designed together in the first place.

Probably doesn't matter now anyway. For $300 that loader is probably long gone.

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cleb

12-28-2009 20:22:58
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
The 2000 was not listed as being setup for a 240... the guy said it was setup for a M or a H... I figure no mater what I will have to have a mounting bracket made... so that much is a wash... I would rather wait and find something that is the right size...

thanks for all your input



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Larry Hardesty

12-28-2009 14:29:15
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
Chris, I think from reading the Red Power forum that the 2000 and 2001 loaders are considered tough loaders. I have had good experiences with mine, and I have moved a fair amount of gravel and dirt with it. I would think $300 not a bad price and brackets could be made to fit your tractor. The literature does list a 2001 as fitting an International 240, but that does not mean the loader you are looking at has the particular brackets for your tractor. Probably just a bit easier to abuse your tractor since it is on the small side for a 2001 but then loaders can be an invitation to abuse almost any tractor if one is not careful. Does your 240 have power steering and TA?

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Jim Becker

12-28-2009 13:05:44
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
So you are passing on a model 2000 that was listed for the 240 in hopes of finding a 1501 that wasn't?



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cleb

12-28-2009 11:02:46
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
yeah... I am thinking a 1501 might be better... just need to find one around me now :)



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cd1

12-28-2009 10:42:15
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
I would probably get a smaller loader. I believe you would find that loader to have a bit more capacity than that tractor. a 240 front axle is not very big



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Larry Hardesty

12-28-2009 09:36:07
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
I have a Farmall 340 with a 2001 loader with a hydraulic cylinder added. I have a bunch of IH literature on loaders. THe 2001 loader is a trip bucket or single cylinder loader and it is listed in one of my publications as for an International 240.

The 2000 is listed as heavy duty (but I think the main difference is two hydraulic cylinders) and it is not listed for an International 240 in that publication. However, in another publication it does show it for an International 240. However, also listed is a hydraulic reservior tank for the 240. So the 240 must need more hydraulic fluid to handle the two cylinders.

Now the 240 is essentially in the lineage of the Super C, 200, and 230 with a maximum horsepoewr of about 28.55 horsepower with the Nebraka C test. The belt test for the Ford 8n was over 25 horsepower. So the 240 is a step up but not a huge step up. I have two Super C's. I would think a 2000 or 2001 loader a bit heavy for a Farmall 240.

I would like to find a good picture (or several) with a single hydraulic cylinder mounted on a 2001.

Bookman

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mkirsch

12-28-2009 09:20:10
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
I have the 2000 loader manual, and it lists the 240 Utility as one of the tractors that it will fit!

Seems like an awfully big loader for such a little tractor. Then again, a 2000 loader isn't that big once you get it on a tractor the size of an M or larger.



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cleb

12-28-2009 08:28:49
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
thanks for your responses... I will probably pass and look for a smaller loader... The guy emailed me and said that the current bracket was setup for either a H or a M...

Going to have to hunt around a bit to find a smaller one that would not be to much of a pain to fit....

thanks again



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PUTTER

12-28-2009 06:21:35
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
That's a nice looking 240. If you get that 2000 loader for it you may have to modify it to fit your tractor. Binder books sells the manual for the 2000 loader for around 10 bucks that would be a wealth of info on those mods. It has pictures of all the brackets plus you can figure out the dimentions you need to make it fit. 300 is a great price for that loader. Hope this helps. PUTTER



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Mark (EC,IN)

12-28-2009 05:57:21
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
Anything is possible, but the 2000 loader goes on much larger tractors (460/560 and 706/806).

....................Mark



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mkirsch

12-28-2009 05:10:44
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
It'll run off the stock hydraulics, just not very quickly.

The 240 is one of the tractors that the 2000 loader manual lists.

Chances are that this 2000 loader on Craigslist didn't come off a 240 Utility so you'll need to fabricate brackets and modify the mounting frame of the loader to make it fit. For $300, if the loader is any good, it would be well worth your time to make the modifications.

Any loader can be made to fit, and you usually have to MAKE it fit with a torch and welder unless it came off a similar tractor. I wouldn't bother with the 8N loader as it is made out of tubing and those tend to be pretty flimsy.

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Erik Dekeyser

12-28-2009 05:11:05
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 Re: International 2000 Loader on a 240 utility in reply to cleb, 12-27-2009 19:14:46  
Nice looking 240 ,the blade looks a little big for it. Im sorry i cant help you with the loader .The 2000 loader seems a little big for it but maybe it will work. I know if you put some thing on that tractor thats to big for it you wont be happy. If it was mine i would look for a loader made to fit the tractor and im not sure on the model number that fits. Let us know how you made out Erik..



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