Super H-TA

ryanwheelock · Sep 14, 2009

Anyone ever seen a Super H-TA? Was reading an old Red Power Mag. and read about someone putting a Super H motor and front end matched to a Farmall 300 rear end. Just wondering if it has been done by others. Anyone ever seen one or heard about one? I'm a big fan of the Farmall Letter series and someday gonna get a Super M-TA or Super MD-TA. Dont think many of them were built though.

D Slater · Sep 14, 2009

Yes, yes.

Dave H (MI) · Sep 14, 2009

I hope you don't get lambasted too much for bringing up this topic...it doesn't always bring out the best in some of us. Never saw one personally and wouldn't waste a lot of time on it if I did. Waste of two nice tractors. Nice day here. Think I'll take the Super B out for a drive. (Well super to me anyway!)

Dave H (MI) · Sep 14, 2009

I hope you don't get lambasted too much for bringing up this topic...it doesn't always bring out the best in some of us. Never saw one personally and wouldn't waste a lot of time on it if I did. Waste of two nice tractors. Nice day here. Think I'll take the Super B out for a drive. (Well super to me anyway!)

Hayfarmer · Sep 14, 2009

So you never heard of the SBTA...

Janicholson · Sep 14, 2009

The best SHTA is made from the assorted parts from tractors that are being scrapped. This uses parts that would be melted, giving them new life.
There were none ever built at IH, They are all hand made, and there may be hundreds, if not more than a thousand floating around.
If done really well, they are fun to look at (and use), as a 300 is a fine tractor.
Custom vehicles are prase worthy.
I own a CJ3B Jeep with a IH K series cab,
A Austin Healy with total Toyota Corolla inside the wheels and bodywork, and a 51 GMC 3/4 PU with a dump bed that is hidden and looks stock. The effort is commendable when done well. JimN

Dave H (MI) · Sep 14, 2009

Absolutely! And Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster too!

Bkpigs · Sep 14, 2009

Depends on who you talk to. I ran into a guy the other day who told me that IH made them but only a few (Ya, right). Couldn't tell him otherwise. I think he would have told me that he had a SHDV-TA. If I hadn't walked off when I got my fill of BS.
I have seen pictures of SHTAs though. The way I see it, its their tractor they can do what they want. Maybe a 300 had a craked block or something and they had an H that they wanted to make more useful. Last time I checked there wasn't any laws saying you can't alter your tractor. Although some would say there should be.

soybeanjoe · Sep 14, 2009

A few years ago Red Power Mag did an article on an experimental H that they put a TA in back in 1948 or so. They had pics of the tractor plus interviewed one the engineers on the project, guy was in his 90s. The TA is not the same TA they later put in the SMTAs & the tractor was an h, they hadn't developed the SH at the time. The engineer claimed that after testing at Hinsdale the tractor was brought back in & dismantled.

As others have said, the SHTA is a morphydite made form parts of different tractors, commonly a SH engine & sheetmetal coupled to a 300 tranny & rearend. Personally, I just walk by them & don't waste my time looking and anybody trying to sell one as " original, factory built" is a crook. JMHO

Duanes · Sep 14, 2009

There is no law against it unless you are trying to represent it as something it is not,such as an SHTA being factory built by IH.

RN · Sep 14, 2009

A few floating around seem to be made from 350 diesels that got engine blown- the Continental engined 350 had about 4000 made so parts are scarce and expensive- I know that from paying for rebuild with new block. Implement dealer mechanic said he knew of a couple other 350Ds that had blown engines over the years that got H, U4, or super H engines put into 350D frames to save money, sometimes leftover sheet metal was also used, lot of people like the old H egg shaped gas tank. RN

Red Mist · Sep 14, 2009

(quoted from post at 07:20:12 09/14/09) The best SHTA is made from the assorted parts from tractors that are being scrapped. This uses parts that would be melted, giving them new life.
There were none ever built at IH, They are all hand made, and there may be hundreds, if not more than a thousand floating around.
If done really well, they are fun to look at (and use), as a 300 is a fine tractor.
Custom vehicles are prase worthy.
I own a CJ3B Jeep with a IH K series cab,
A Austin Healy with total Toyota Corolla inside the wheels and bodywork, and a 51 GMC 3/4 PU with a dump bed that is hidden and looks stock. The effort is commendable when done well. JimN

I agree wtih you, Jim. My problem is not with folks building them; it lies with the owners claiming they are the REAL, RARE, VALUABLE thing.....
I am affiliated with a vintage stock car racing group. Each year, it seems, some guy digs some short-track pile of junk out of a North Carolina gully and restores it. Then, in no time, he claims it was the car Fireball Roberts drove to victory in the 1962 Daytona Firecracker 250 - and he sells it for mega-bucks to some poor schnook who believes the story..... Nobody is going to question what your '51 GMC is. But, some novice tractor collector might take it in the shorts on a SHTA. I've got a problem with that - and that is something we here on the forum need to keep warning folks about. The more SHTA's that are built, the more there is the chance somebody will get snookered. Maybe not by the guy who built it, but the second or third owner...... they seem to "morph" over time, you see..
Mike

Anonymous-0 · Sep 14, 2009

"Austin Healy with total Toyota Corolla inside the wheels and bodywork, and a 51 GMC 3/4 PU with a dump bed that is hidden and looks stock. The effort is commendable when done well."

You have one of the few reliable Austin Healy's in the world then.

Absent Minded Farmer · Sep 14, 2009

I have seen the picture of a Super H-TA. The pic was at the Red Power Roundup. IH made 1 for testing & dismantled it. There were a few pics of it in pieces. The hand made wooden TA mechanism was on display as well. Neat stuff! - Mike

Roger46 · Sep 14, 2009

If you went to RPRU this year in Madison, in the archives exhibit they had a picture of an H TA the IH built. Dates on the pictures where 1952. I took pictures of the pictures so I had my own documentation on it. The TA section looked completely different than 300 TA section. As has been said many times in this forum, this exhibit said that IH destroyed this tractor after testing it. Roger

Janicholson · Sep 14, 2009

Went To the store with my wife in it today, Very nice ride. Thanks JimN

scot in pa · Sep 14, 2009

My dad claims that the SMTA came out and they couldn't sell the SH, so they had some sort of dealer-installed kit to make a SHTA. Even if there was it still wasn't factory.

Kinda like Hemi-Cuda's. I think they had more 71's at Barret-Jackson one year than were made in 71. They've started calling them "tribute cars". A clone by another name is still a clone.

I don't mind them being built. Just don't go trying to tell me it's rare and valuable.

Bob Kerr · Sep 14, 2009

There was one at the Rushville Indiana steam show this year. well a made up one anyway.

gene bender · Sep 15, 2009

Your Dad couldnt be more wrong as there NEVER any factory made. Lots are now running around now even a SHVTAD. Not that hard to make just need to know how to do it.One did bring a big dollar as the buyer wanted one.

gene bender · Sep 15, 2009

So what do i call my B with C engine,C center section with the rockshafts and controls. It had a SA disc plow on as theY modified the mount to fit the B. The disc plow mounted in front of the drivers platform. Tractor doesent have a dent anyplace just needs to be repainted.So do i call it a BH or BC.

scot in pa · Sep 15, 2009

His argument was that they did exist because the dealers could make one somehow, and since it was done by the dealers he considered it factory, I think. Sometimes you have to take a grain of salt, several times over, with my dad. I still can't figure out where he gets some of the info he does, he reads the same magazines I do. And has never been online.

Dave H (MI) · Sep 15, 2009

Ummmmm...I'm thinking they call those BS. At least that is going to be commonly heard when some guy, 40 years from now, is trying to restore it using the shop manual! I have heard the phrase "farmered up". Now we have to start with "Bendered up"! Would be interested in taking that for a spin and mebbe getting it a little dirty, though!

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