Anonymous-0

Well-known Member
I've never seen this discussed on this forum....How do You judge good workmanship when You look at tractors that have been restored, or worked over, or worked on, or so on? What defines sloppy work versus Field expdiency? What do You think of steel fuel lines being replaced with stubs out of the sediment bowls and carb. with rubber hose and hose clamps between. I know how to judge firearm work, I have studied Jap. swords, engravein', buildin'guitars, I can inspect weldin' but what is the criteria for tractor work. There are times I've been at a tractor show or pull lookin' the tractors over and hear critical comments from others, have had a few confrontations from takein' exception to comments I didn't think was necessary or proper, it is easy to be critical of a Hand when You ain't the one A$$ deep in Bullagators lookin' for the swamp drain plug...You hands on this forum are some of the sharpest I've seen, I 'd like to know what You look for and over look

Wild Bill
 
I probably ain't much of a judge when it comes to tractors. I like 'em all. It costs me the same to look at a tractor held together with baling wire instead of cotter pins and sporting a rattle can paint job that's pretty close to the right color as it does to look at an award winning restoration. I generally figure the feller with the baling wire ain't as tightly wound as the Captain Correct, though, and I'd be more likely to stop and chat with him.
 
How does it look? If it looks like some care was taken and the rubber gas line routed and secured properly, go with it. I've got one on my SM. Got a 12v battery and a ballast resistor on a little tab held in place by the coil clamp bolt. Home-built weight box on front.

My big thing is can it be used? As long as it can be used I'm not too awful concerned bout how "original" it is. The correct police can kiss my backside as long as it's useable.
 
Four levels (JimN's own concepts here):
1 Farmer appreciators
Look at all old tractors with admiration and deep feeling. Do not care about perfection or OEM correct police attitudes, just smiling at well crafted machines that can be modified in typical or special ways if they retain functionality and a sense of utility.
2 Looky Loos
Completely clueless interested people with a willingness to be entertained in modest and seemingly important ways by looking at things they pretend to understand.
3 Friends of Old Tractors
Build and own old tractors. Put loving care into them and look for quality restorations and good workmanship. Do not mind aftermarket accessories, or attachments. Enjoy unique and special components and rare tractors. Are blown away by operational miniatures and the effort it takes to be that dedicated.
4 Originality Police
Carry spec books and hand lenses to be certain the manifold's rusty serial # is consistant with the engine castings. Grit their teeth when noticing rebuilt throttle ratchet notches. and Hate stainless steel mufflers.
Some even dislike modern paint technology and cringe when primer is used under old fashoned enamel.

Fun topic, I hope others get into it. JimN
 
Yea some guys get just a tad carried away on tis CORRECT thing . Lets see here my S/MTA has a M&W throttle a M&W govenern ah it is setting on 16.9X38's ( BIG MISTAKE ON MY PART) it has a China aftermarket battery box on it due to the org . one being ate out and it is painted with I H 2150 Red that only cost 23 buck a gallon with just a dash of 77 s Dupont hardner added and there was a small dixie cup of feather fill used to clean up the welds where we had to sledge hammer the grill back out because it was folded around the ft. bolster and took two spud bars to pry it off and oh ya i forgot to send the rims out to have them hot dipped in galvinize so they got painted aluim. But when i took it to the only show that i had a chance to attend she was setting in a row with 54 other S/MTA's and most of them were all gussied up with high dollar paint jobs with chrome and stainless this and that , for some reason mine and one other were the only two that made the video for the 94 RED POWER ROUND UP The other one that was chosen was one that a father and son redid and IMHOP they did a vary fine job . My buddy did the paint work as believe me that i am no painter and there were seven tractors there that he painted . Everyone of them made the video .
 
Great job of explaining this concept; nothing I can add other than to say I'm a combination of #1 and #3--if that's possible.

The longer I'm involved in tractors, the more I see myself moving toward having mechanically excellent machines FIRST! What comes later is OK but not of primary importance. That's why I love my 49 JD A that is it's original self and runs great. I enjoy seeing pristine old tractors overe "trailer qeens" any day. I have a couple of "queens" but after doing all of that, I hestitate to use them for what they were intended for because I might scratch the paint! That's why I'm tending toward mchanically good and let's "relax" about the the great paint jobs.

I surely wish that those old tractors could talk, don't you?
 
(quoted from post at 07:24:07 02/05/09) Yea some guys get just a tad carried away on tis CORRECT thing . Lets see here my S/MTA has a M&W throttle a M&W govenern ah it is setting on 16.9X38's ( BIG MISTAKE ON MY PART) it has a China aftermarket battery box on it due to the org . one being ate out and it is painted with I H 2150 Red that only cost 23 buck a gallon with just a dash of 77 s Dupont hardner added and there was a small dixie cup of feather fill used to clean up the welds where we had to sledge hammer the grill back out because it was folded around the ft. bolster and took two spud bars to pry it off and oh ya i forgot to send the rims out to have them hot dipped in galvinize so they got painted aluim. But when i took it to the only show that i had a chance to attend she was setting in a row with 54 other S/MTA's and most of them were all gussied up with high dollar paint jobs with chrome and stainless this and that , for some reason mine and one other were the only two that made the video for the 94 RED POWER ROUND UP The other one that was chosen was one that a father and son redid and IMHOP they did a vary fine job . My buddy did the paint work as believe me that i am no painter and there were seven tractors there that he painted . Everyone of them made the video .


I agree 100%. Those high dollar, high gloss paint jobs and high dollar vinyl decals do not impress me one little bit.
 
This discussion has helped me make a dicission on painting the 39 M. I have been painting each part (some with cherry red from wal-mart and some with NAPA tractor red) as I re-assemblied this Big Mama. I have decided to put the decals on her and drive her and let the Grandson give her a perfect paint job if that is what he wants after I am up in the sky watching. Harley
 
I am like that as I do not want a TRAILER QUEEN that ya have to push off the trailer and winch back on after a show . If it can not go do what it was meant to do then why have it . When i bought my S/MTA it was bought to be my second tractor and was to be used to pull my planter and for them times that i would find that soft spot in the field to drag my 706 out . I got tired of having to use my pick up for that job or go find some one to drop what they were doing to come bale me out because when i did find them SOFT SPOTS i was not just momentarily delayed i was STUCK . One time i planted the 706 and plows so bad that you did not have to step down to the ground off the platform the bottom just dropped out from under the tractor and she was in the plow was in to the third moldboard . Tryed with the pick up even put the tire chains on first never even shook her . Could not get unhooked from the plow . Had a buddy come down with his 1086 with brand new radials with duals loaded for bear he never shook it got a neighbor to come over with his 4840 with duals and the two of them never shook it . Ended up calling a friend that had DOZERS and the first one that i brought down was a JD 550 with a winch , Now i have used that same dozer to pull Frac teams in and out od drilling locations many time with no problems . BUT i could not shake the 706 with it and after breaking the winch line twice i gave up on it and hauled it back and brought the 750 Deer down and i figure that if a 60000 lb. winch with 1 1/8 cable it would either come out in one big chunk or in several pieces. That job took three days to get here out between all the running around and a lot of broken chains and winch line.
 
i like to look at the high quality restorations, and appreciate all the research, hard work and money that was involved to get an old machine back into a pristine condition. however, i also like the working girls and the barn fresh rebuilds also. the jay leno types with unlimited resources and a staff of high paid craftman really dont mean as much to me as seeing something that a regular guy saved from the cutting torch and did the best he could to make her work again. trailer queens are nice, but if i cant hook up an implement to one of my tractors and run the snot out of it, i dont want it in my barn.
 
A rubber gas line on a tractor is something that i will not do . Along with a plastic fuel filter . That is a disaster waiting to happen . I will not even use copper . I will use brake line and try real hard to do it as close to factory as i can .
 
Good topic!

I can appreciate the work that goes into maintaining, overhauling and restoring a tractor, especially if somebody does it himself as opposed to farming out all the work, and am of a mind with JimN.

By way of example, I have my SuperC. I did a motor job, a brake job and overhauled the Touch Control. Added a flip-up seat bracket, front saddle weights, and an after market three-point that operates off the lift arms. Replaced the seat pan, rear rims, the missing battery box, throttle quadrant and a few other odds and ends. All new rubber. Some of the newer parts are freshly painted with a rattle can, but for the most part she goes to work and to shows with most of her original faded paint, a little rust and a little oil, grease and grime. It draws the folks who have worked tractors, if only as kids on their grandparent's farm or as full-time farmers. Folks coming by get interested in things like the front saddle weights (I've turned down some pretty good offers for those!) and have all sorts of questions about how things work. One fella who had a SuperC of his own got all excited at seeing a Touch Control without a remote.

Then there's my BN. My great-grandfather bought it new in '47 and taught me to drive on it. It got away from the family for a few years and was left to sit in a field. It was a disaster when I got it back.

For myself and for the uncle who grew up on it (and tracked it down for me), I did the best and prettiest job I could on it with the knowledge and skills that I have, picking up and improving some of both along the way. Completely dismantled. Motor job, new bearings and seals from stem to stern, rotted parts replaced with originals where possible but some reproduction goods, as well . . . Parts painted and reassembled, wrench marks touched up. I bought way too expensive a paint, especially considering it was the the first job where I ever shot color from a gun -- I'd primed before but never put a finish on until this one, but I wanted this one to look nice.

She purrs and she's shiny. And she draws the correct police! Now I like to put square heads back where square heads broke off, but I'm not one to chase and pay for dot-heads. The geezers will pick me up on that, and a couple of marked Grade 5 hex-heads where the originals weren't marked for grade. My usual response to them is to show them to the two bent nails that PawPaw put back in the place of cotter pins -- I put them right back where he had them. If they look and find the occasional run in the paint that I didn't wet-sand and polich out, I apologize and ask if they're going to be back with their tractors soon, as I'd love to see what they have done. It's odd, none of those folks have ever had anyting of their own at the show for me to go look at. About the worst was a show Fawteen and I went to a couple years ago. A vanload of geezers showed up, called themselves something like the "East Bumflick Hose and Ladder Company", even wore matching khaki trousers and black polo shirts made up with their logo. They were hosers alright, and spent all of a Saturday wandering around like Statler and Waldorf ho-hoing and tearing apart everything on the lot.

I have no time for those guys or their ilk. I have a lot of appreciation for anybody who brings out tractors like either of mine, who did the work themselves. When I look at other tractors, I'm looking as much to learn as anything. How are those Dzus fasteners anchored and how do they turn? I needed to fab up a new guide bracket for the starter rod, so I've looked at others to figure out what I needed.

We can discuss, argue or disagree about whether a good mechanical overhaul and a good paint job qualify as a restoration. It's a good discussion. The important part to me is the satisfaction to be had in working on these old girls, and being satisfied with the job I've done. The level and degree of that satisfaction is a little different for everyone, and I have little use for anyone that will tear down some one else's hard work. It's pretty thoughtless and heedless in my mind to attack the pride somebody takes in their work, and that's about all those folks are doing.
 
Here's how a farmer's son in Ohio does tractors and I didn't post all the pictures.

ao0wls.jpg


11hyufa.jpg


555yfs.jpg


16l9zl4.jpg

I did this Farmall A in 1975-1976.
 
I have messed with restored cars for years and at every show some guys are fussing over a speck of dust on a bolt head or compalining that the car next to them has one wrong bolt holding in the radiator and they miss out on any fun they could be having. Seen it a thousand times! Why all the fuss, just to get a crappy but shiny chunk of plastic that says #1 on the plate. One thing I like about going to tractor shows is NO TROPHYS and NO JUDGING!!! That will toast the hobby for a lot of people when they start doing that. I am not saying I don't appreicate some of the very nice restored high dollar tractors I see out there. It is nice to see that kind of work, but I also like to see the "old rusty never shedded crust bucket" out pulling a plow too even if it is burning oil. One thing that does bother me a bit is if someone just paints over the dirt, but who am I to say anything, it is not my tractor! Some people do that to keep them from rusting more if they don't have a good shed to put it in. I had a 10-20 a few years back that was very nicely restored fron the seat forward but I never painted the fenders or platform. I had a reason for that. I used the tractor to pull logs out of the woods and didn't want the new fenders to get scratched or smashed so I left the new fenders in the shop till I was ready to put them on. If anyone asked why it was like that I told them and they said I don't blame you! Thing is do your tractor the way you will be happy with it whether a trailer queen or a non restored ol gal in work clothes that runs good. If anyone is on a show board and someone wants to give out trophys PLEASE talk them out of it and have them go to a corvette show and watch those guys gripe and moan. It ain't pretty!
 
(Not directed at you) If you dont like what I have done to my tractors just keep on walking and keep your mouth shut, Im liable to come over and shut you up! I dont care what you think of me or my tractor! I restored it the way I wanted to, not to impress you or anyone else, but its the way I wanted it. When you show me your expert restoration, Im sure Ill find something not "correct" about it, but I will not knock your work, and go on about my business. If you try and argue with me about MY tractor, you will most definately get my rage flared up and again, will get your mouth shut my ME! (Again, not directed at you, or anyone else here. Unless you try and tell me whats wrong with my restorations. :))
 
Well, boys.... to each his own. And that is what America is all about. I enjoy seeing them all.
mike
 
(quoted from post at 15:04:33 02/05/09) (Not directed at you) If you dont like what I have done to my tractors just keep on walking and keep your mouth shut, Im liable to come over and shut you up! I dont care what you think of me or my tractor! I restored it the way I wanted to, not to impress you or anyone else, but its the way I wanted it. When you show me your expert restoration, Im sure Ill find something not "correct" about it, but I will not knock your work, and go on about my business. If you try and argue with me about MY tractor, you will most definately get my rage flared up and again, will get your mouth shut my ME! (Again, not directed at you, or anyone else here. Unless you try and tell me whats wrong with my restorations. :))
Aw, John. Now, tell us how you REALLY feel!
mike
 
Only reason I posted that was last year at a show, I took my 49 Cub, and this guy was ragging me over two paint runs on one of the fenders. We got into it big time. Of course we know IH didnt go through the trouble of sanding down runs, and in fact I didnt know the run was there until he pointed it out. I really wanted to see his tractor up there, but he didnt have one. His buddy came back by and appologized for his friends behavior. About 2 weeks later at another show, he brought a Farmall Super A up there and I gave him the sane treatment he gave me, espacially when I saw the 12 volt battery!!!

Im usually a pretty mild fellow, just dont ruffle my feathers! Been meaning to ask,you been back down my way any lately?
 
(quoted from post at 16:02:08 02/05/09) Only reason I posted that was last year at a show, I took my 49 Cub, and this guy was ragging me over two paint runs on one of the fenders. We got into it big time. Of course we know IH didnt go through the trouble of sanding down runs, and in fact I didnt know the run was there until he pointed it out. I really wanted to see his tractor up there, but he didnt have one. His buddy came back by and appologized for his friends behavior. About 2 weeks later at another show, he brought a Farmall Super A up there and I gave him the sane treatment he gave me, espacially when I saw the 12 volt battery!!!

Im usually a pretty mild fellow, just dont ruffle my feathers! Been meaning to ask,you been back down my way any lately?
John:
I'm coming to the family reunion at Rabun Creek/Hickory Tavern this summer. Got a cousin I am good buddys with over at "Honey Path". Will see himand his wife for sure. Going to bury my mother's ashes at the cemetery at Chestnut Ridge Baptist Church - just west of Laurens on Hwy 76.
mike
 
There is a place for 1st rate restorations. Either for museums or personal hobby. Also there is the 2nd rate restore which is repair leaks, clean it up correctl. Remove and repaint as much as is feasible without getting out of control. Paint choice is a matter of preference. Working tractor O/H and freshen up. Then the 3rd rate "restore". Hose it down and slap some paint on it. I detest the 3rd rate. I plan to do my F504 in the 2nd rate. If I did a 1st rate I would never take it outside.

My Farmall 504 Before... I have no After, yet :eek:

CIMG3064.jpg


CIMG3095.jpg


Charles
 

We sell tractor parts! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today.

Back
Top