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I.H. 300 utility steering box problem

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Charles Tolbert

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I have a 300u with manual steering. It needs the steering box rebuilt. I have heard tht a machine shop in Kentucky will build up the gears and recut them. I would like to know the name of the shop and it's address and phone number if anyone has that info. Also isthere any other source for parts to rebuild the box.

Thank You,
Charles Tolbert
 
I have heard of this too and you may find a post awhile back from me about it. I spent awhile last spring hunting down parts to fix the steering on my 330U and wound up buying a whole salvage steering assembly. I could not reliably locate the shaft I needed. My understanding is that there are two versions with a different number of teeth. Obviously tooth count needs to match in order to repair and I couldn't get satisfactory answers from folks selling them. It's a very pricey part if it can be found but I wasn't going to hand over ~600 bucks for somethig that may not fit for sure. Another 100 bucks and I had a whole steering assembly so that's how I went.

I've gone and broke it again. I do not plan to fix it this time, I should have done this in the first place instead of wasting the 700 bucks on the assembly but now I will. I plan to get a Jackson Power Steering unit and be done with it.


(quoted from post at 23:41:22 12/25/08) I have a 300u with manual steering. It needs the steering box rebuilt. I have heard tht a machine shop in Kentucky will build up the gears and recut them. I would like to know the name of the shop and it's address and phone number if anyone has that info. Also isthere any other source for parts to rebuild the box.

Thank You,
Charles Tolbert
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I went to the Jackson Power Steering site awhile back and dont quite understand something about their system. The way I read it,it meant you had to have a working gear box to add the power steering to ??? In that case, if they`re using existing gearbox, you`d still need the shafts w/good teeth.Anyone know what they are actually using?
 
On my 460 Hi Utility, the power steering is separate from the manual gear box. I have not compared part numbers, but I think the same manual unit would be used power or not. The factory power unit is on/in the steering column above the manual unit. On the 460 the pump is attached to the hydraulic (fast hitch,etc) pump in the belly of the tractor -- don't know about the 300. I don't know how Jackson does it, though. Anyway, unless Jackson is doing some sort of hydrostatic conversion, you will likely need an original steering unit.
 
Thats what confuses me on the Jackson website.It shows pictures of a Ford 861 with their power steering package added and looks as though they put a cylinder on each side of tractor with one end anchored to transmission housing and other end clamped to drag link arm. Still shows the gearbox and associated arms.
 
I have a 300U with PS and one without. I don't understand what you guys are breaking. I have a forklift on the back of the one with PS and a snowplow on the front of the one without PS.

My suggestion is to buy the complete unit from a 300/350U PS and be done with it.

Stamm Equipment in Wayland Michigan does not give things away free but they sure have acres of farm equipment.
G'Luck, Dell
 
What has broken on mine is called the sector shaft. I bounced off a rock with a load in my bucket and that was it. Front wheels flopping to and fro. Same thing happened to the previous owner. He had a rock in the bucket and went in a hole and she was done for. Seems to be the weak link in the system. I bought the tractor broke when I had determined I could repair the steering with a new assembly and now I've gone and done it myself.

Anywhoo... I emailed Roland Jackson and explained what was up and that I was considering his system for a fix. I made it clear I didn't want to have to repair the steering box also, told him the sector shaft was broke and he replied that I will not need to fix it. From that my understanding is that installation must somehow result in modification of the steering assembly to allow for a new steering wheel and the valve that drives the two cylinders. I'm supposing it must get tucked in under the sheet metal there. He's got a pic on the website of someone with a 300U and his setup so that says to me he can make it work. As soon as someone pays off a $2K bill to me I'll start a writeup thread with pics.
 
By chance did he give you a ballpark estimate for his PS setup? I know the local tractor salvage yard is charging $1200 for the original power steering gearbox, which for used gears and gearbox is highway robbery to me.You really don`t know what you`re getting in there. But the fellow at the counter said demand is high for them and they sell `em as fast as they get them.
 
Pretty sure he said $1250 plus $65 shipping. And he's got two different 300U's pictured on his website. I'm doing this, just a matter of when.
 
Bringlepup,
If this steering change is going to run better than $1,300+ why don't you start looking for a complete 300/350U with PS to buy for parts from a private party. You might be surprised what you may find. Pay up to $1,500 and you will have a good inventory of used parts and sell what you don't need.
That's the way I would approach it.

Good Luck, Dell
 
Not sure if I could even bring myself to tear one up for parts. It would have to be in pretty bad shape or missing the rear half etc. But that is indeed a good idea. I'm led to believe there was plenty of iron painted red sold up here in Maine but I haven't stumbled across a parts tractor myself. I'd look further afield but it isn't easy gettin stuff hauled up here. Cost me $240 just to move mine 70 miles when I bought it. Now if I were set up with my own transport and could just head off across the country if I found one ....... but that would raise other issues along the lines of how comfy I find the couch for sleepin.

Another issue is that the tractor is an integral part of my management of the property. I can't really sit back waiting for a parts machine to cross my path.





(quoted from post at 21:47:10 12/27/08) Bringlepup,
If this steering change is going to run better than $1,300+ why don't you start looking for a complete 300/350U with PS to buy for parts from a private party. You might be surprised what you may find. Pay up to $1,500 and you will have a good inventory of used parts and sell what you don't need.
That's the way I would approach it.

Good Luck, Dell
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I don't have my parts manual with me but I think the arms that attach to the gear box are called pitman arms. Anyway, on a 300U/350U these arms came in two lengths. The longer ones make steering a lot easier and take a lot of the torque stress off the steering gears. I would make sure to have the longer arms on the fix.
Also, I would have to really trust a salvage yard to send me the right parts for $1,300 and you really dont know what you are getting until it arrives.
 
No I wouldn't drop that kind of money sight unseen on salvage parts unless I ran the yard past the folks here.

If you get a chance I bet it's info worth posting re: the two lengths on the pitman arms. I'd be curious to know where I fall in that regard.





(quoted from post at 12:34:11 12/28/08) I don't have my parts manual with me but I think the arms that attach to the gear box are called pitman arms. Anyway, on a 300U/350U these arms came in two lengths. The longer ones make steering a lot easier and take a lot of the torque stress off the steering gears. I would make sure to have the longer arms on the fix.
Also, I would have to really trust a salvage yard to send me the right parts for $1,300 and you really dont know what you are getting until it arrives.
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Short Arm 8 7/16" Part#363114R1 For 300U up to SN 26457
Long Arm 11" Part #366695R1 For 300U SN26458 and above

https://webparts.pvassociates.net/c...d you have to allow cookies to use this site.
 
I might as well throw something else into the mix. The front spindle arms got lengthened by an inch and three quarter as well at serial # 26458. This also would help with a little more torque.
 
I checked back on the IH parts page and the 11" pitman arm is the same for with PS and without PS. Same part number.
So I for sure would use the 11" arms an your fix.

Once you get a good parts pictorial for your tractor you'll be all set.

Dell
 
Yup a part number/source and some tools is pretty much all I need for anything.

I am lucky in a way to live about 2 mi from a CNH dealer. They will throw anything into the printer for me.
 
I HAVE A 350 UTILITY WITH POWER STEERING THAT I HAD TROUBLE WITH FOR YEARS. I GOT POWER STEERING UNIT FROM JACKSON POWERING STEERING. WORKS GREAT
WITH MY FRONT LOADER WITH 800# MIDSIZE BALES.
REMOVE INSIDES OF POWER STEERING ASSY AND LEAVE THE GEARS IN
DAN S
 
Interesting I just did my 300 steering this past summer. My manual steering was very difficult. I ended up putting two matching cylinders attached to the steering link arms. Orbital motor above steering gear box and it works great. But all their is in the box are two different shafts coming from right and the left side both are different in length and each have a barbarick type gear that would make anybody grunt when they would go to turn the wheel. I removed the entire steering shaft that was attached by the worm gear. Then when the cylinders on each side would push and pull the shafts and then gears inside the box would work with each other. I did it myself and don't have 1,200 or 2,000 in it only about 300 to 400 bucks
 
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