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Wide front end for Farmall H

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Paul Fleming

12-01-2005 10:47:28
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Who makes the best wide front end for the Farmall H and where can I get one.




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Steven@AZ

12-01-2005 17:43:58
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Paul Fleming, 12-01-2005 10:47:28  

Schwartz.



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Missouri Boy

12-01-2005 14:25:52
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Paul Fleming, 12-01-2005 10:47:28  
Seriosly your tricycle front end is the best there is. I have an H with a single front and have most of the stuff to make it a dual but hardly consider it worth the labor to change.



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Mikey

12-02-2005 07:45:53
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Missouri Boy, 12-01-2005 14:25:52  
Seriously, I would much rather deal with the cost and labor of changing to a wide-front end than have the last thing I experience in this life be the crushing weight of an narrow front-end tractor rolling over on me. Far to many people, including kids, have died over the years that way. My dad bought a Case 730 in 1966 that had a narrow front-end and within a month he sent it back to the dealership to have it changed to a wide-front end (with all of the "cost" and "labor"). I still have that tractor with it's wide-front end to this very day! And it wasn't just Farmall. Case, Allis-Chalmers, Ford and others had narrow front-end models, although to be fair, most offered wide front-end as an option. The narrow front-end farm tractor was one of the most dangerous ideas to come along in the past 100 years. Thank God manufactures wised up after about 1980 and quit making those damn dangerous narrow front-end tractors!

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Hugh MacKay

12-02-2005 08:10:51
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Mikey, 12-02-2005 07:45:53  
Mickey: What a rediculous statment. I had two narrow front tractors for many years. One of them probably clocked 25,000 hours. I've had just as many thrills on wide front tractors as I ever did on narrow front. When equiped right they are just as safe and stable as a wide front.

I will make you a chalange, you select the tractor model, you equip your wide front version as you wish. I will do the same with my narrow front model. Then we will go for a tractor ride, you take the lead and I will follow you anywhere you wish to go. By the way, the last time I threw out this chalange was 2 years ago, and guy has not taken me up on it yet. Rusty can vouch for this.

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Harold H

12-02-2005 19:24:04
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-02-2005 08:10:51  
Mickey,

I agree with Hugh 100% on this. I would rather have a dual tricycle front on an H or M size row crop tractor, regardless of make, and it is just as safe or safer if equipped and operated correctly. On a wide front, there is less stability than a tricycle untill the front axle hits the stops and by then it is often too late.

Harold H



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Mikey

12-02-2005 10:17:43
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-02-2005 08:10:51  
You're on! I'll bring a chain so we can pull your tractor back up-right every time you tip it over. It's simple matter of physics. A wide front-end is much more stable, especially on steep hills. I'm surprised you don't know that.



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Hugh MacKay

12-02-2005 13:38:15
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Mikey, 12-02-2005 10:17:43  
Mickey: Your thoughts on what gives tractors stability are full of bullfeathers. Low center of graviety is truly what keeps a tractor upright on uneven terain. That is the secret with any tractor especially row crops, narrow or wide front end, is lower that center of graviety. You may ask how? Simple, wheel tread setting and ballast. Set the rear wheels of a row crop tractor at a minamum 72" tread center to center, load them to the limit with Calcium Chloride and add rear wheel weights. The narrow front tractor will operate anywhere the wide front will. Those three items will lower the center of graviety. It has already been proven. You can set the row crop tractor wider than 72" and that will make them even more stable than a Utility at 66" tread centers

Believe me the only thing we may need a chain for is to tie you on the seat. I have a lot of hours in the seats of both Farmalls H and 300 and both with narrow fronts, and worked lots of hill sides with them as well. Yes we even took them in the bush and hauled logs on ice roads, not level roads either. I've also farmed with Farmalls 656, 560, 1066 and an articulated Deere. I do know what I'm talking about.

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Mikey

12-02-2005 14:10:44
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-02-2005 13:38:15  
Hugh, I agree with you about the low center of gravity. Nearly every narrow front-end tractor I've ever seen had fluid in the rear tires and / or rear wheel weights. I also belive that any tractor wide or narrow can be tipped over when driven unsafely. It all comes down to the person in the seat.



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Hugh MacKay

12-02-2005 14:51:21
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Mikey, 12-02-2005 14:10:44  
Mickey: Operator is exactly right and that is precisely why my farm through two generations and roughly 150,000 hours of tractor time never had a lost time accident.

It was also end of row crop cultivation that ended production of narrow front tractors, and not the folks that imagined they were unsafe. As tractors got heavier with more weight up front narrow front did tend to bog down more in soft ground. I baled roughly 35,000 bales per year with 300 pulling wagon behind. Many times that old 300 did 4,000 to 5,000 bales per day. The 560 and 656 never exceeded that amount, why, because the narrow front 300 was more agile. I don't think I would have wanted a 6 cylinder diesel with narrow front. Also the larger tillage equipment we were starting to see in the late 60s, I think a narrow front would have created problems turning. It would have taken a lot more brake wear.

I saw the same problem when I went to the 1066 with conventional wide front. If one wasn't careful turning by not using enough brake that tractor would bury it's front axle. I dualed that tractor to get more traction without compaction, and that only made turning worse. If I had it to do again I would only buy a 100hp+ tractor in a 4x4 version. My neighbor had one and he could turn with 25' cultivator in ground and never touch the brake pedal. That is what I liked about the articulated, it's ability to turn under heavy load. It was all an evolution, to me narrow front was great up to 50 hp, by the time we reached 100 hp the conventional wide front was history. Where we go from here, who knows?

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old

12-01-2005 12:33:57
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Paul Fleming, 12-01-2005 10:47:28  
I know a place in Missouri that has 4 or 5 wide fronts for sale.



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RustyFarmall

12-01-2005 11:04:29
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 Re: Wide front end for Farmall H in reply to Paul Fleming, 12-01-2005 10:47:28  
Schwartz is the only one I know still making them. If you want a new one I might be able to get one.



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