IH C113 engine: question

Just a question. On the C113 engine used in the A, B and C? They had no water pump from the factory. Instead they used Thermo Syphon cooling. I'm just wondering how effective this was because I have seen a few with water pumps added later. Would an engine this small realy get that hot if everything is maintained? It is not a 100hp turbo-ed engine. The only reason I ask is if one should happen to come along for the right price I would buy it for a putt around and not worry about finding a easy on-off loader for the 350. As it stands now I only have the one tractor and to semi-permanently tie it up with a loader would be a hassle. A second smaller tractor means I could leave the loader on the 350. Sod Buster
 
I've been running my BA for years now and it does not have a water pump and never have any overheating problem with it. I even have a set of shutters I could put on it but since I only use it in the summer no need for them.

By the way if you do not know what my BA is it is a tractor that the front half is a B and the back half an A and I built it that way because I have a sickle bar mower made for the A but the front of the A I got in was broken up real bad due to having a fight with a hill and a tree at the bottom of the hill
 
I wouldn't worry about overheating. I have found the opposite: with no thermostat, they tend to run too cold unless worked hard. My Super A has perennial problems with moisture in the oil from low engine temp.
 
I quess I'm looking ( not very hard) for something about half again bigger then a Cub Cadet 1450. Or maybe double the size. Something that would cultivate one row pull 4 ft quack digger pull a 1-14 or 1-16 plow. It would be primarily a cultivating tractor in the garden. Would rather have a made to fit cultivator then a clumsy aftermarket 3pt. Maybe even a Farmall Cub? I have a 350 to do all the bull work now I want something for the fine tight quarters work.
 
nothing to worry about. the coolant circulates on its own and is fan cooled. the old McCormicks that opened up the country had no waterpumps either in the 1920's and they earned their keep.
 
Not in this case. The one I have I used 3 tractors to build one good tractor. Parts from 2 Bs and an A that lost a fight with a tree when it rolled down a hill and broke into a number of large pieces
 
I have a friend who after the death of their father is going to be getting rid of several C Farmall though Super C. There may be others but have not seen all of the tractors as the dad had them scattered.
The mother is still getting over the loss but this will come soon as she does not want to take care of them I know some of them run. A c is pretty cheap and very usable.East MN border.The decisions has not
been made yet as it is early.
 
(quoted from post at 17:09:43 01/29/18) I have a friend who after the death of their father is going to be getting rid of several C Farmall though Super C. There may be others but have not seen all of the tractors as the dad had them scattered.
The mother is still getting over the loss but this will come soon as she does not want to take care of them I know some of them run. A c is pretty cheap and very usable.East MN border.The decisions has not
been made yet as it is early.
I will keep that in mind. Like I said I am not looking very hard at this point. I will get serious about it when the snow is gone or shortly there after. Sod Buster.
 
We had an A JD that had no pump,the only time that was a problem was pulling 3x16 and pulling it hard. I used to keep water on each end of the field. They were designed without one, and made to work.
 
My father-in-law farmed 160 acres in the S.E. Idaho desert with a Thermosyphon Super A. There was never an overheating problem.
 
The C is the way nicer tractor to get on and off of and way nicer/smoother to operate than our 140. But it's a 2 row tractor, so if you want 1 row ... I don't know, maybe an A or Cub are nicer to operate than the 140. Worst part
about the offset 140 is getting on and off and the cramped seating position, especially for a taller person.
 
(quoted from post at 20:31:12 01/29/18) The C is the way nicer tractor to get on and off of and way nicer/smoother to operate than our 140. But it's a 2 row tractor, so if you want 1 row ... I don't know, maybe an A or Cub are nicer to operate than the 140. Worst part
about the offset 140 is getting on and off and the cramped seating position, especially for a taller person.
good to know. I'm not against a two row tractor but not sure if it would fit what I want to do. I already have a "big" tractor and my CC 1450 just ain't quite big enough for the little stuff. It has just barely enough horse power but it does not have enough weight or traction. To add more weight and more aggressive tires I fear will over stress the drive train and lead to failure. I like the JD L/LA, IH Cub, but the collectors around here have drove the prices through the roof. Farmalls As and Bs can be had for cheap. As can Allis Bs. The IH 130/140s are a fairly rare tractor around here. I thought about the Case-Ingersol 446-448 but I can't see that I'd gain that much over my CC 1450. The Farmall A has a frame to it for mounting cultivators or other attachments. As this tractor will spend most of its time in the garden a mid -mounted culitvator will be 90% of its job duties. A one row would be nicer as my garden is not all one thing. And the most I have of anything is two rows. Sod Buster.
 
My understanding is that water pumps were usually added to compensate for lack of maintenance on the cooling system, such as a buildup of sediment in the water passages in the block, or a partially clogged radiator. Instead of troubleshooting the actual problem, a "band aid" fix was applied.
 
I have a Super A and no water pump. Doesn't overheat and runs great. Now as to your small tractor, think about the mounting of plow, disc, cultivators, implements,etc. I know that as I get older that's not as much fun as it used to be. A 140 with 1 point fast hitch and implements is much easier to hook up and has a little more horse power to go along with it. just my 2 cents worth.
Pembroke
 
Where I grew up, "everyone" had at least one A or Super A. I don't remember seeing a water pump on any of them. We did have one C that happened to come with a water pump, but it was unusual.

I would avoid an old A for gardening unless you find one that comes with a complete cultivator (and is mounted). Finding a complete hand-lift implement for an A is difficult. A Super A has hydraulics and fewer pieces get separated from the implements. Super A (and Cub) implements are much less work to mount.

A Cub is adequate for gardening but a Super A has about twice the power in not much more size. Prices on both are similar. The 100/130/140 models are upgraded versions of the Super A. The same applies to them.

The IHCC Chapter 26 raffle tractor for 2018 is a Super A with a cultivator. If you feel lucky, just buy some tickets!
 
We have a regular C with a 5 foot belly mower and no water pump, if the grass is very tall it works pretty hard, and has
never overheated. Saying you need a water pump on a tractor like that is just like saying you need 12 volts!
 
a friend that farms 20 acres of hay has 2 c Farmalls they both overheated until he installed water pumps
 

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