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I have a wide front I got on a parts 560 that I put on my SMTA, appears to be from a 450 or similar but it has the wheels on it like the older Farmals with 3 bolts. I put a Dual loader on it. My 560 with wide front has the solid front wheels. I was wondering if hubs and solid wheels from 560 would fit on the olde wide front?
 
Spindles are different but some one posted a while ago that the bearings could be changed but I do not remember who. I need to do something similar to get a narrow on a 400 I just bought so I can store it better I have a Schwartz front on the floor that has hubs on it and buying a 560 front is not cheap right now.
 
a friend of mine has an M converted to narrow front with loader that has solid wheels. He doesn't remember what wheels they used but would be same as on my wide front. I was wondering if there was some way to put soid wheels on my front end. Anyone know of wheels and hubs that would fit?
 
There is a bunch of web sites that list a six bolt hub with bearings to fit the 400-450 axle at around 130 a hub. This site sell a number 223311 six bolt hub for 130.63
 
There were lots of H's,m's,and the such, with the 3 bolt cast hubs with loaders on for decades with no problems. So what makes you think you need to change them just because you add a loader. Those old dayton wheels on trucks will actually carry more weight than those pretty chrome or Aluminum Budd wheels will.
I think your changing for the sake of change.
 
(quoted from post at 03:56:40 01/28/18) There were lots of H's,m's,and the such, with the 3 bolt cast hubs with loaders on for decades with no problems. So what makes you think you need to change them just because you add a loader. Those old dayton wheels on trucks will actually carry more weight than those pretty chrome or Aluminum Budd wheels will.
I think your changing for the sake of change.
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Any tractor equipped with a loader will benefit from having larger, wider front tires installed. Can't do that with the original 3 bolt cast wheels.
 
Wider tires are of marginal help, if any at all. Reason being, no matter how big you go the tire is ALWAYS going to cut in under the weight of a loader. You're expecting that front tire to float more weight than a rear tire. A couple of inches of width isn't going to amount to a hill of beans.

A 7.50-16 will fit on the cast hub rim, and due to the larger diameter, puts as much rubber on the ground as a 9.5Lx15, while still being narrow enough to cut through mud that it can't float over.
 
(quoted from post at 05:59:10 01/29/18) Wider tires are of marginal help, if any at all. Reason being, no matter how big you go the tire is ALWAYS going to cut in under the weight of a loader. You're expecting that front tire to float more weight than a rear tire. A couple of inches of width isn't going to amount to a hill of beans.

A 7.50-16 will fit on the cast hub rim, and due to the larger diameter, puts as much rubber on the ground as a 9.5Lx15, while still being narrow enough to cut through mud that it can't float over.
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Here in southwest Iowa, if you can't float over the soft spot, you sink in, there is no cutting through it. You just fall in, and there you are. Wider tires DO make a big difference.
 
You must run some pretty darned wide tires, because even doubling the contact patch, you're still at 1/3 to 1/2 of the contact patch of a rear tire, and you're still trying to carry 2X the weight. It's physics.
 
(quoted from post at 06:28:46 01/29/18) You must run some pretty darned wide tires, because even doubling the contact patch, you're still at 1/3 to 1/2 of the contact patch of a rear tire, and you're still trying to carry 2X the weight. It's physics.
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The weight of a loaded bucket on a front end loader is NOT on the rear wheels. The weight is on the front. That is why any tractor equipped with a front loader NEEDS weight added to the rear wheels/tires, and greatly benefits from wider tires on the front. Yes, it IS physics.
 
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