So earlier I went out to start my Ford 841S and it would not start. But that is a another story. So I figured since I was starting or trying to start a couple I would try the IH584 I got this summer. I did not do anything but hold the shut off at half way back and then hit the starter. I spun over a few times and fired right up but yet the gas Ford had to have the battery charged before it would start and starter fluid to boot. I think I know which tractor I will use this winter if and when I need to plow snow off my driveway. In the past it would have been the Ford but since this 584 start this easy and is diesel it will be used instead