How likely is it that may 584 will start in cold weather

old

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So this IH584 I have is diesel and the starting aids where melted down sort of due to the fire. Got down to around 28 last night so getting colder here. The one starting aid I know would be hard to fix as in the starting fluid start aid. The other starting aid the electric cord got hot and is bad in a couple places but that I could splice to fix. But if I do not have to fix any thing I will not do so. So did these 584s start pretty easy when cold??
 
Well IF you have to use ether,just a light whiff ought to do it.You don't want make it 'clatter' when cranking.My 485 will start down to 20*-25* but it needs a good battery.I had a 574 before this,and it was cold natured and needed preheated or ether below50*!Mark
 
So far this thing has started pretty easy but it has not been this cold either. Another thing I still have to fix on it is the alternator. From what little testing I have done it appear that the alternator got hot enough to no longer work. When I start it I try hooking the excite wire up to the battery but that does not seem to do any thing
 
Rich, if this uses the same alternator as the 695 it is a Lucas or Italian clone of Lucas. IT cost more to replace the built in regulator than what it would have cost to put on a life time guarantee 10SI. Go to your back row and see if you have a Delco that will bolt on.
 
It already ahs a Delco 10SI on it. As for going out back I know I do not have any I have long since used al the ones I have. I may switch it out on one of the tractor I almost never use though
 
if its like my dads 684 they can be a real stinker in cold weather. if you have a salvage yard near by any either assist of a IH tractor should work. those diesel pumps have a fuel advance in them for cold starts. push the stop all the way to the run position then pull it to the stop position until you feel some resistance then stop this should be the fuel advance position. we put a tank heater on dads. there is a plug behind the starter to tap into and then i put a street elbow on top of the water manifold to run the other hose to.
 
If the start/stop/run cable is set right it MAY start cold IF the engine is in good condition, if tired it will need an ether shot or engine heat. The shut down cable is pulled all the way back to stop the engine, compressing the excess fuel stop, all the way forward is the run position. The START position is when the cable is pulled back to the spring loaded stop. It's NOT an advance device, but excess fuel for starting only. On most Bosch VA pumps it won't work with the throttle wide open either, set throttle at no more than 1/4 or leave at idle. If the engine surges after starting with the lever back against the stop pin that's normal.
 
Hi Old, good batter, alternator 5-30W oil and winter Diesel it should start to -15F. My brother lives in eastern Ontario, Canada and he has a CIH 3230 (2 generations newer than 584 but same D-206 engine) with FEL that he uses everyday to feed round.
It has ether starting aid which he never uses and a block tank heater. Over the last couple years due to El Nino it has rarely gotten below 0*F but a few years ago there was a sudden cold snap and it was -27*F and it started without ether or tank heater but if it is that cold he usually plugs the tank heater in for 30 minutes.
Another farmer that I knew of left his 584 out in his wood lot all winter and it started everytime but of course he didn't go to the wood lot when it was extremely cold.

As someone else mentioned there is a START position on the STOP/START/RUN lever.

JimB
 
Well since the cable etc. is not there due to being burnt I have/had no idea about the what I would call center position. I know so far it starts the best when the throttle is set at idle but then one the other hand the throttle fiction hold part also is gone due to if have been in fire but at least that gives me an idea of maybe starting it easier when I do get a shut down cable hook up
 
Have had a number of these tractors over the years and never seen one that started good in the cold. Put the largest battery that will fit and good cables on it along with a tank heater and you might have half a chance. Use ether very sparingly because they get ether locked very easily.
 
Hi OLD, see attached photo of a Bosch injection pump similar to the one on your 584 that I borrowed off the internet.

The START position is when the Full Control Lever touches the Shut Off Plunger.

JimB
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I have a 584 will start ok with out starting fluid till it gets around zero, anything lower then that needs small snort of starting fluid, but living in Kentucky that is not a problem most of the time.
 
I tried the middle ways thing on the fuel control today and it started up very fast. But it was sort of a pain to hold it by one hand and the wire with the other hand but at least I am getting closer to what it should be or close that is
 
I bet your a tad bit north f me and maybe higher up too boot. I'm here in Missouri the Lake of the Ozarks area. Now often that we get down to zero here but we do some times but not likely to be using the tractor on a day like that
 
Neither of the starting aids are particularly difficult or expensive to fix.

If it's a typical core plug block heater, as it should be, the cord just detaches with a single screw, and a new cord can be installed. Replacing the whole block heater is not much more difficult. I would recommend replacing the cord rather than patching it up, due to the chance of fire.

The ether canister is a common part, can probably find one used. It's a single wire from the button, and a small steel brake line from the canister to the intake manifold on the engine.

You've already come this far and done some fairly involved mechanicing on this literal dumpster fire of a tractor. Why welch out now?
 
We put a lower rad hose heater on our 574 and it starts down to below zero a good ways . -20 or something like that. Our 674 we usually don't need during the winter so never put one on it. Just use a whiff of ether if we need it .
 
And just because a tractor can start at 0* without being plugged it doesn't mean that you should start it like that. Having a block heater and using it saves lots of wear and tear on the motor. The little bit of investment in fixing the cord will pay off in longevity of the motor.
 
I've already spliced the cord but will probably buy a new one some time down the road. As for the other starting aid it has a 2 wire plug on it that got burned off and so far it has started easy once one of the guys said something about the start position on the engine shut down control. So far if I hold the shut down lever back to center it fires up very quickly
 

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