farmall super H cotton picker serial # tag

Jess in CA · Dec 5, 2016

Hi there, i have a Low drum cotton picker mounted on a super H tractor, the tag was hanging on by a thread for years and i should of broke it loose and stored it away, but i didnt, well now i am trying to figure out how to get the correct info for a replacement tag, the casting #'s reveal that its a 1953 model, belly is 1/28/Y, engine is (G-164) 1/16/Y, the rear housing shows 4/18/X, maybe it was changed out somewhere in the past,the enging sr# is 1554. and the #'s are stamped at a right angle if that means anything, o.k. the sr # tags on H tractors wouldnt reveal if there a picker or regular tractor so the big question is how would the tag need to be set up to be correct?? and which tag would be used, Thanks, Jess

farmhand · Dec 5, 2016

If that picker was sold as a unit it would have a letter stamped at the end of the serial number such as an A or an R designating it as a picker tractor.

rustcollector · Dec 5, 2016

Jess,

From your post, I assume that you are looking for the tractor serial number? Do you have a serial number on the picker row unit or the frame?

Jess in CA · Dec 5, 2016

Yes i do have the row unit Number, i am just after what the tractor tag would of had on it, i was thinking about going to the case IH dealer in the next town over where the family that i bought it from bought it, if i get lucky they might still have it in there files? worth a try i guess, they bought it in the 60's

Jess in CA · Dec 5, 2016

hard to say not knowing if it was a picker kit added to a standard super H, or if it rolled off the line as a complete unit, its to bad it had the tag on it when i bought it 14 years ago, but barely hanging on by 1 rivet, the aluminum was in real bad shape, i should of broke it off and filed it in a safe place but never did, we moved it 5 years ago to my new location and maybe the wind grabbed it during the trip on a trailer here, who knows.

Jess in CA · Dec 5, 2016

i noticed i put a (G) instead of a (C) for the engine size should be C-164

D Slater · Dec 5, 2016

Fellow that goes by Pat H used to keep track of SH tractor numbers and was good at figuring what the tractor serial number was from engine number. Haven't notice him post lately.
Tractor was probably built in the first half of Feb. 53 and probably the tractor serial number was within 100 of the engine. My best guess is a tractor serial number around 1450.

pat in wis · Dec 5, 2016

With an engine serial number of 1554 the chassis serial number would've been between 1370 J and 1422 J. Motor would've been made in Feb '53. Sorry can't help on the set up of the cotton picker tag - have never seen one, but sure would like too. Your number would've been closer to 1422, I know there would've been less than a 184 number gap between chassis and motor numbers at that point ( but more than 132 ).
Hope this helps
Pat

D Slater · Dec 5, 2016

Sorry about getting the handle name wrong.

53 super H · Dec 5, 2016

I have a 53 super H with serial number 2468J does anyone know when it could have been built. I know it is early since it is the 1967 one built. Thanks.

Jess in CA · Dec 5, 2016

i got on the Wisconsin state hist society's web site this afternoon, came up with this info for super H tractors built from Feb 1 to march 1,1953.
engine numbers and tractor numbers, as follows = tractor ser #'s 1022 to 3148, engine ser #'s 1121 to 3628. i only took these No's because my SH falls into this number bracket my engine # is 1554. date Casted 1/16/Y(53) you know the lady there sally mentioned that the info maybe exists with the records of what ser # tractor had what # engine, Wouldn't that be cool to find that! that would help out a lot of other collectors, she mentioned there is no staff to look it up where it is stored, i think she said case IH has that info??

pat in wis · Dec 6, 2016

Jerry,
Would have been built in Feb of '53. 1rst tractor made in March of '53 was 3148 J. Your motor serial number should be around 2848 ? It will be stamped into the block below # 3 spark plug.
Thanks, Pat

pat in wis · Dec 6, 2016

No problem, it used to be Pat H but I forgot my password and had to start going by Pat in Wis. Memory isn't what it used to be I guess !

53 super H · Dec 6, 2016

Thanks I'll check that out.

53 super H · Dec 6, 2016

Just checked number and it is 2852

Jess in CA · Dec 8, 2016

someone tell me if this makes sense, from the info i got from wisconsin state historical society, engine numbers from Feb 1 to Mar 1 1953 are 1121 to 3628, so from that point mine would be 433 units down the line to be 1554, o.k. now the serial No's from feb 1 to mar 1 1953 are 1022 to 3148 , so if i added 433 to 1022 it would be #1455, so if this is so my ser # would be right at or somewhere around 1455, and the eng # is 1554, 99 #'s difference, this make any sense guys, Jess

D Slater · Dec 8, 2016

One problem on the super series the engine serial number had no prefix for tractor engine. Super 4 series tractors ETC used some of the engine serial numbers. Think I remember that correct, didn't double check.

Jess in CA · Dec 8, 2016

not sure what you meant by super 4 series

D Slater · Dec 8, 2016

Super W 4 series.

Jim Becker · Dec 8, 2016

You worked forward from 2/1, assuming Super H tractor and engine numbers were used at the same rate. You could, equally valid, work backwards from 3/1 the same way. On 3/1 the difference between tractor and engine numbers was 480. Subtract 480 from your engine number, 1554 - 480 gives you a serial number 1074.

Best guess, your serial number is somewhere close to or between 1074 and 1455. That is a little narrower than "some time in February" or 1022 to 3148. Of course, there is no guarantee your engine was used exactly in sequence.

Jess in CA · Dec 8, 2016

the reason i went from feb 1 to mar 1 is because the casting numbers are, the belly 1/28/Y(53) & the engine is 1/16/Y(53) those production numbers i stated were from the farmall works monthly log. so i guess i am pretty much back to square 1.

BarnyardEngineering · Dec 9, 2016

The only place the actual serial number for the tractor is recorded is on that tag. If the tag is gone and you didn't record it somewhere else before losing it, then any number you use is going to be a guess and you can never be 100% sure.

There is no way to accurately retrieve the serial number from anything on the tractor or any of the records available to us.

pat in wis · Dec 11, 2016

Jess,
I'm sure your chassis serial number would be between 1422 J and 1370 J. The gap between chassis and engine serial numbers got larger as production progressed because some C-164 motors were used in the 2800 Super W4's that were made at the same time. Also some stationary power units and a few industrial applications used the C-164. A couple of years ago there was a directional boring machine for sale in Ohio that had a C-164 power plant. Best guess is your chassis serial was very close to 1405 or 1410.
Pat H.

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