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Trent Couch

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I have read that I can substitute the ball
bearings for an M with 560 flat roller
bearings which is the better option and has
the longest life, strongest etc, the
regular ball bearings seem to be sufficient
I just don't want to take the chance of a
bearing failing and coming through the
transmission case by getting lodged between
the bull gear and housing this is a concern
for me. Thank you for all y'alls help
 
Where can I find the rollers new at? And I heard that there is a little more play with the rollers than the ball style?
 
I new ball bearing will have no detectable play on end of axle, exception is the latest outer axle bearing specified for a 560. The internals of that bearing were loosened up to eliminate bearing failures caused by axle flex and of course the looseness of the inner axle roller bearing. That roller bearing has enough play to be easily felt on the end of unloaded axle. Installed a lot of them and because the inside race is two piece, you have to be extremely careful when installing axle as any movement opposite of axle going into bearing will cause that race to back out and then you start over installing axle.
 
(quoted from post at 18:05:25 09/29/16) I new ball bearing will have no detectable play on end of axle, exception is the latest outer axle bearing specified for a 560. The internals of that bearing were loosened up to eliminate bearing failures caused by axle flex and of course the looseness of the inner axle roller bearing. That roller bearing has enough play to be easily felt on the end of unloaded axle. Installed a lot of them and because the inside race is two piece, you have to be extremely careful when installing axle as any movement opposite of axle going into bearing will cause that race to back out and then you start over installing axle.
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So is the roller bearings really more affective in preventing failure because if not I could probably find the standard ball bearings cheaper and I was reading on another post about the early roller bearings problems and issues. I know neither one is going to be 100% at preventing it but if ones not really a whole lot better then I could stick with the original or should I?
 
A roller bearing has line contact between the rollers and the inner and outer races they touch. a ball bearing has a point contact. (this is a slight
exaggeration in that both deflect to a degree and have a thick line, or oval spot contact. Rollers are stronger. if the tractor will be kept for "ever" the
roller is better. The part number is likely in the 560 parts list on line. and that number might be interchangeable with other suppliers. Jim
 
And was the inner bearings the cause of bearings being shoved through the transmission with the bull gear when the bearing failed or could the outside bearings also cause this? Sorry for all the questions I just want to do it right one time and be done with it considering the money these big bearings cost
 
Inner bearing balls do not fit between the case and the bull gear. The wedging action breaks the case. Jim
 
That makes sense, so in other words the inner bearings have been a problem occasionally with breaking and being wedged but if the outer bearing fails the balls won't be able to find themselves down there? The reason I'm asking is because the outer appear to be fine but while I'm in the transmission I might as well replace the inners because the tractor is going to be my life long pal and I'd rather do it for peace of mind. And if I can not do the outers now and safe some $ that would be good.
 
They are pricey new. Check ebay. If the bearing in the picture has balls visible not a roller bearing. Look under Farmall 560 rear axle bearing.
 
Thank you, I was reading about the rear axle bearing failures the early 560 tractors had but then they updated the bearing how would I know I am getting the updated bearing version? Probably a dumb question but it's just a lot of money I just want to be sure before I order
 
(quoted from post at 20:43:50 09/29/16) They are pricey new. Check ebay. If the bearing in the picture has balls visible not a roller bearing. Look under Farmall 560 rear axle bearing.
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Is this the bearings you were talking about the updated version of the old 560 bearings? And was there also roller bearings for the outer axle? Thank you
 
The current Case IH part # for the inner roller bearing is 529427R91 560 or 460 2 3/4 inch axle comes with the inner race. You can figure around 345.00 each The bearing is a Bower MN1213 and the Race is Bower MS1213. I have tried to order the Bearing and race from Bearing Inc. but have had no luck???
The current Case IH outer roller bearing part # is ?????
This is a SKF 213 EC 245G bearing SKF NUP213 ECP 245 G Race SKF P 213 E 12 167 G spacer ring all made in Germany
The Case IH out Ball Bearing part # is 84330092 it now has 15 balls in the bear VS the old 8 ball OEM bearing Just paid 146.00 for this bear at my local Case IH

Hope some of this helps!..
 

Thanks a lot that helps out I will right down those part numbers, and did they have roller bearings on the outside bearings in the 560 it seems like they left those as ball bearings?
 
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