450 starter...round three

Ok, I'm sure I screwed up but here it is. I got a late start and didn't get to charlene until after noon. I had a battery jump box, the starter, wrenches and voltmeter.

I set the starter on the tailgate and decided to hot wire it again before I install it. I hooked up the battery box to the starter and it ran like a demon . Great, I'll install it, hook it up and get her running. I got the starter on and thought I'd leave the tractor cables unhooked and hot wire it w/ the jump box.

I turned on the fuel, set the choke and opened the throttle. Hooked up the jump box cables and charlene turned over about ten seconds but didnt start. I crank her about three times and remembered the switch was off. I turned on ignition switch, cranked her again but no dice. I could smell gas and figured she flooded out.

I was hot, sweaty, and plenty ------ at myself for not following my original plan. I guess tomorrow I'll use the voltmeter and check for shorts.[/u]

I dont know about your 450, but with my M's and Supers, and the B, the throttle, should be in the idle position, got them marked with a white dot.

lucky guy... u get to check charlene's shorts ! lol.

(quoted from post at 22:40:21 06/20/16) lucky guy... u get to check charlene's shorts ! lol.

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My 400 has a name on her too....Dolores...obviously she took beano.....because she has no gas.

"I got the starter on and thought I'd leave the tractor cables unhooked and hot wire it w/ the jump box."

I'm reading that you left the tractor battery cables unhooked and are applying jump box direct to starter in an attempt to get it going.

If so you only have power to the starter, nothing to the ignition system. The charge wire from ammeter to battery "hot" connection at the start solenoid must be connected to supply power back to the system and since you are jumping direct to the starter you should have a battery connected to supply power to ignition while cranking

(quoted from post at 07:28:47 06/21/16) "I got the starter on and thought I'd leave the tractor cables unhooked and hot wire it w/ the jump box."

I'm reading that you left the tractor battery cables unhooked and are applying jump box direct to starter in an attempt to get it going.

If so you only have power to the starter, nothing to the ignition system. The charge wire from ammeter to battery "hot" connection at the start solenoid must be connected to supply power back to the system and since you are jumping direct to the starter you should have a battery connected to supply power to ignition while cranking

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Wouldn't your generator/regulator supply power after turning over a few times?

(quoted from post at 21:58:11 06/20/16) I dont know about your 450, but with my M's and Supers, and the B, the throttle, should be in the idle position, got them marked with a white dot.

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Fast, the throttle linkage on charlene has a lot of slack in it ; when its at the idle position and you try to idle her up the throttle freefalls to about halfway. Its on my list of things to fix. I'll see if she'll start at idle, my experience has been setting throttle a little past idle to start, but I'll try anything.

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(quoted from post at 07:28:47 06/21/16) "I got the starter on and thought I'd leave the tractor cables unhooked and hot wire it w/ the jump box."

I'm reading that you left the tractor battery cables unhooked and are applying jump box direct to starter in an attempt to get it going.

If so you only have power to the starter, nothing to the ignition system. The charge wire from ammeter to battery "hot" connection at the start solenoid must be connected to supply power back to the system and since you are jumping direct to the starter you should have a battery connected to supply power to ignition while cranking

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Rvirgil, I think you're right. I realised that after cranking her several times, I thought it acted like it wasn't getting fire then it dawned on me what was wrong. The starter still wasn't turning very fast, I'm trying to decide if I should spend the $150 to get it rebuilt...this is one of those times I wish I'd been born rich instead of so dammed good looking!!
I don't think it was turning over fast enough for the generator to make enough juice to start it...but I'm no expert.
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I would not expect the starter to ever crank the engine fast enough to energize the generator. For safety sake I would never want to depend on the charging system running open circuit without a battery, especially if it has an alternator

I had pulled the starter when I left yesterday...not sure where to go from there and still ticked off. I had to run a cpl errands today and ended up driving past the generator shop. I did a u turn and pulled in. The guy behind the counter put it in a vise, took some pliers and tugged on the shaft. It moved side to side, he said that's one problem. He tagged it, said it'd be ready Friday with new
So we'll see what happens next..

Ok, another thing; being we've been talking about generators and alternators and so forth...which should my 450 have? How do I tell if its a generator or alternator?
Thanks
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