Starting my 560d

560farmer

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As you all know I probably bought a pile of junk but besides the point iv been trying to get her started. Iv tested glow plugs they were good, cleaned air bath and etc. it seams not to roll over very fast iv tryed 2 different battery's chemical and non and seam to still be pushing it to slow I'm goin to try another 31 count is there any other things I should do. Iv also cleaned fuel canisters and replaced filters. Any help would be helpful thanks
 
(quoted from post at 14:03:51 05/20/16) I turn key then push glow plugs for about a min and it sounds slow

OK, are you using the starting procedure from the manual?????

Have you had the starter tested????

Do you have fuel at the injectors?????
 
Slow cranking will not start a diesel tractor. The heat of compression must be there to ignite the fuel. The cables must
also be 00 gauge to handle the current, less diameter will cause enough resistance that the starter will starve! Put a
inductive starting amp gauge against the battery cable when cranking. The current should be in the zone of 400 to 600 amps.
If more, the starter might be dragging. Again, it must crank rapidly. Jumper cables are way too small to carry anything
but a boost. Crank amps of the battery need to be in 800 to 1000 amps. Jim
 
(quoted from post at 11:27:12 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 14:03:51 05/20/16) I turn key then push glow plugs for about a min and it sounds slow

OK, are you using the starting procedure from the manual?????

Have you had the starter tested????

Do you have fuel at the injectors?????
I'm cracking the first injector to see if I'm getting fuel
 
(quoted from post at 14:36:58 05/20/16) Slow cranking will not start a diesel tractor. The heat of compression must be there to ignite the fuel. The cables must
also be 00 gauge to handle the current, less diameter will cause enough resistance that the starter will starve! Put a
inductive starting amp gauge against the battery cable when cranking. The current should be in the zone of 400 to 600 amps.
If more, the starter might be dragging. Again, it must crank rapidly. Jumper cables are way too small to carry anything
but a boost. Crank amps of the battery need to be in 800 to 1000 amps. Jim

Jim,

I have a 560d and use a 950a battery.

Even with a good battery, starter & cables mine does not spin real fast but with the glow plugs it fires right up.

Coldest I have started it was 20° with a fat minute on the glow plugs.

20 seconds above 60° will do it.

He will not say how he is trying to start it. The manual has a specific procedure and if followed they start good.
 
(quoted from post at 14:38:50 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 11:27:12 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 14:03:51 05/20/16) I turn key then push glow plugs for about a min and it sounds slow

OK, are you using the starting procedure from the manual?????

Have you had the starter tested????

Do you have fuel at the injectors?????
I'm cracking the first injector to see if I'm getting fuel

This has gone on for so long that I have lost track.

Maybe relist the chain of events.

Things you have done.....

Starting procedure.

Getting fuel/ smoke

Glow plug circuit amp draw.

Fuel to pump.

Fuel to injectors.

Have YOU ever had it running???
 
(quoted from post at 11:50:17 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 14:36:58 05/20/16) Slow cranking will not start a diesel tractor. The heat of compression must be there to ignite the fuel. The cables must
also be 00 gauge to handle the current, less diameter will cause enough resistance that the starter will starve! Put a
inductive starting amp gauge against the battery cable when cranking. The current should be in the zone of 400 to 600 amps.
If more, the starter might be dragging. Again, it must crank rapidly. Jumper cables are way too small to carry anything
but a boost. Crank amps of the battery need to be in 800 to 1000 amps. Jim
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Jim,
I don't have the the original Manuel Is there a place I could buy a original one?
I have a 560d and use a 950a battery.

Even with a good battery, starter & cables mine does not spin real fast but with the glow plugs it fires right up.

Coldest I have started it was 20° with a fat minute on the glow plugs.

20 seconds above 60° will do it.

He will not say how he is trying to start it. The manual has a specific procedure and if followed they start good.
 
(quoted from post at 14:57:53 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 11:56:02 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 14:54:45 05/20/16) I don't have orginal one is there a place I can buy one?

Original what????
anuel

They sell the manwell here, they have them at Jen Sales, the big E auction site.

Google is your friend........

So we can now assume you do not know the starting procedure for this engine......
 
If you're not getting fuel to the injectors, no amount of glow plug is going to start it.

You have to bleed the air out of each fuel filter, then out of the line to the injector pump before you have any hope of getting any fuel from the injectors.

I don't know if maybe from sitting the cylinder walls are a little dry, and that's why it's turning over hard? More battery might help.
 
(quoted from post at 14:57:53 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 11:56:02 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 14:54:45 05/20/16) I don't have orginal one is there a place I can buy one?

Original what????
anuel

They sell the manwell here, they have them at Jen Sales, the big E auction site.

Google is your friend........

So we can now assume you do not know the starting procedure for this engine......
 
(quoted from post at 15:03:58 05/20/16) no sir could u assistant me I creaked the injectior and no fuel is comin out it hasn't be ran in along time

Best you get a manual or some help to bleed the system.

You may well need pump work.
 
yes its as jim says... that tractor will never start if the starter is dragging,it has to wheel over fast. and as far as fuel leaking out of loosened injector line... it has to be cranking over for that too.
ALSO just give it a pull start, as this saves a lot of frustration. hold glow plugs, put it in 4th gear and if its going to start it will. then work out the problems later. you may have injection pump problems if it dont start , assuming you have the system bleed and glow plugs working. but if your getting blue smoke pulling it then you have fuel going to cyl's. it will start eventually by continued pulling. with everything working it will start as soon as clutch is let out.
 
(quoted from post at 13:42:39 05/20/16) yes its as jim says... that tractor will never start if the starter is dragging,it has to wheel over fast. and as far as fuel leaking out of loosened injector line... it has to be cranking over for that too.
ALSO just give it a pull start, as this saves a lot of frustration. hold glow plugs, put it in 4th gear and if its going to start it will. then work out the problems later. you may have injection pump problems if it dont start , assuming you have the system bleed and glow plugs working. but if your getting blue smoke pulling it then you have fuel going to cyl's. it will start eventually by continued pulling. with everything working it will start as soon as clutch is let out.
ell I got my battery charged and blue smoke comes out that was with a little bit of starting fluid
 
(quoted from post at 20:10:18 05/20/16)
(quoted from post at 13:42:39 05/20/16) yes its as jim says... that tractor will never start if the starter is dragging,it has to wheel over fast. and as far as fuel leaking out of loosened injector line... it has to be cranking over for that too.
ALSO just give it a pull start, as this saves a lot of frustration. hold glow plugs, put it in 4th gear and if its going to start it will. then work out the problems later. you may have injection pump problems if it dont start , assuming you have the system bleed and glow plugs working. but if your getting blue smoke pulling it then you have fuel going to cyl's. it will start eventually by continued pulling. with everything working it will start as soon as clutch is let out.
ell I got my battery charged and blue smoke comes out that was with a little bit of starting fluid

DO NOT USE STARTING FLUID THAT ENGINE.

Bad idea with glow plugs and precups.
 
Pull start the tractor. if it will not pull start it needs a professional analysis to get it operational. Jim
 
When did the engine last run? Injection pump MAY have several parts stuck inside and not delivering fuel correctly. On a good system one trick I use is to remove ALL the glow plugs, and you will see the air-fuel mixture blow out when cranking the engine, then you know the pump is opening the injectors. Then when the plugs are back in a good engine will start.
 
Put it in 4th gear, put the throttle about
half, unhook all of the injector lines, hook
it to another tractor, pull it. If you pull
it 200 yards and don't have fuel squirting
out all of the injector lines, I wouldn't
worry about the slow crank, it won't start
anyway. If it does have fuel squirting out,
put the lines back on, have the starter
checked out, make some 2/0 battery cables
for it, get a group 31 battery for it. That
SHOULD cure your slow crank. Then check the
glow plugs. Take them out one at a time,
take some jumper cables, hook black to
negative on battery, red to positive on
battery. On other end, hook black to the
body of the glow plug, and touch the red to
the spade terminal on the glow plug. It
should glow orange in less than 10 seconds.
If not, it's junk, get a new one. Once you
have determined that they are all good, put
them back in, and use a test light to make
sure there is power at each glow plug when
you push the switch. If not, figure out your
power issue. Oh, and if you pull it and see
no fuel squirting out injector lines, time
your pump correctly, remove it, have it
rebuilt, reinstall it, run it. That should
be step by step to make that thing run.

Ross
 
(quoted from post at 20:56:46 05/20/16) Put it in 4th gear, put the throttle about
half, unhook all of the injector lines, hook
it to another tractor, pull it. If you pull
it 200 yards and don't have fuel squirting
out all of the injector lines, I wouldn't
worry about the slow crank, it won't start
anyway. If it does have fuel squirting out,
put the lines back on, have the starter
checked out, make some 2/0 battery cables
for it, get a group 31 battery for it. That
SHOULD cure your slow crank. Then check the
glow plugs. Take them out one at a time,
take some jumper cables, hook black to
negative on battery, red to positive on
battery. On other end, hook black to the
body of the glow plug, and touch the red to
the spade terminal on the glow plug. It
should glow orange in less than 10 seconds.
If not, it's junk, get a new one. Once you
have determined that they are all good, put
them back in, and use a test light to make
sure there is power at each glow plug when
you push the switch. If not, figure out your
power issue. Oh, and if you pull it and see
no fuel squirting out injector lines, time
your pump correctly, remove it, have it
rebuilt, reinstall it, run it. That should
be step by step to make that thing run.

Ross
thanks I'll do that my pump leaks and iv tryed tighten the injection lines at pump so if it doesn't pump it needs a rebuild anyway
 
Ok here we go , now assuming that the injection pump is doing it's thing here , lets start off with BATTERYS , YOU NEED TWO really good batterys . When they were new and yes i remember when they were new they came with TWO 6 volts hooked together to make 12 volts. But that was back in 58 on thru 63 . Yes times have changed and ya can get good 12 volt batterys BUT ya need over 1000 COLD CRANKING AMPS . When you cycle the glow plugs they suck a lot off the top . And unless you can stuff a GOOD group 31 in there you do NOT have enough . Then comes the problem of finding a group 31 that has 1100-1200 Cold cranking amps . Next your starter needs to be in good working order and not dragging . Now for the starting of a D236 -D282 IF the engine is in good working order with good compression and valve set to spec.'s 30 seconds MIGHT get you started on a 80 degree day . Now lets just say that she needs za TUNE up and yes diesel's need a tune up once in a while and things like pump timing needs to be checked , valves need to be set . So you may need to hold the glow plugs up to a min. and maybe even more . Is it puffing any kind of smoke while cranking the engine over ?? Tell us what color the smoke is as this will help us . White smoke shows it is getting fuel and is either not warm enough or it is low on compression . NO smoke tells me it is not getting fuel.
 
good, then give er a pull! as i hope u know u must keep holding glow plug button while cranking, and it takes up to a minute. sometime u need to stop cranking and just keep holding the glow plugs for another 15 sec. then crank again.
 
As TV noted running the glow plugs by themselves takes a good bit off the battery.

Have you tried jump starting it? Put your good battery on then hook the cables to the booster vehicle just like you would any other jump start. Bring the booster vehicle up to 1500-2000 rpm and then do the glow plug and start sequence. The increase in voltage should give you a bump in cranking RPM which in turn will help generate compression heat and hopefully ignition.

If you getting smoke and fuel is weeping from the fitting at the injectors when loosened then you should be getting fuel.

Bad ground and/or connection at frame can also result in slow cranking.

We have two 560's in the family and they take a good 30 seconds of heating even on a 100 degree day. Sometimes if the battery is down a bit I have let off the glow plugs briefly during the cranking part in order to get the rpm to come up and get it to start.
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:44 05/21/16) As TV noted running the glow plugs by themselves takes a good bit off the battery.

Have you tried jump starting it? Put your good battery on then hook the cables to the booster vehicle just like you would any other jump start. Bring the booster vehicle up to 1500-2000 rpm and then do the glow plug and start sequence. The increase in voltage should give you a bump in cranking RPM which in turn will help generate compression heat and hopefully ignition.

If you getting smoke and fuel is weeping from the fitting at the injectors when loosened then you should be getting fuel.

Bad ground and/or connection at frame can also result in slow cranking.

We have two 560's in the family and they take a good 30 seconds of heating even on a 100 degree day. Sometimes if the battery is down a bit I have let off the glow plugs briefly during the cranking part in order to get the rpm to come up and get it to start.
should I check to make sure my vales arnt stuck before I do to much stuff
 
for all we know the piston ring lands are all worn out from broken rings due to using starting fluid , that means it will never start with a battery due to very low compression. valves dont usually stick on these diesels. so just pull start it then go from there as that engine may be junk.
keep that starting fluid can in the bush! thats where all the problems start.
 

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