I picked up a 43 H yesterday, It has the X3 stamped in to the S/N plate. I've found that means Kerosene. Would this tractor have had a second tank? It seems that someone must have switched out the hoods on it some where along the line as it has Super H emblems on it. The Super H hood has a hole for a second tank. (I didn't think Super H's were set up with this.) Basically i'm hoping I don't have to find another hood for it to get it correct. I would rather get the second tank if need be. The hood I have is pretty good.
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Should the X3 (kerosene) have 2 tanks though? I'm thinking it should as most other kerosene tractors had a starter gas tank.
To be honest the hood doesn't look re-painted since it's missing just about all of the paint. The Emblems are still there, though not very good. but you can still make them out.
Also, What modifications would have been done to qualify this tractor as an X3?
To be honest the hood doesn't look re-painted since it's missing just about all of the paint. The Emblems are still there, though not very good. but you can still make them out.
Also, What modifications would have been done to qualify this tractor as an X3?
There would have been two tanks a small 7/8 gallon
starter tank in front of the main tank. A special
fuel bowl that is designed for 2 tank input. Other
things would have included a different manifold,
it would have had a heat shield and heat control
valve. The head would have been different when
compared to a gas mainly larger combustion chamber
to burn the low grade fuel, valves are slightly
different too. There would have also been a
radiator shutter to get it up to temp quicker and
control heat. The carb was also slightly different
when compared to a gas burning engine. Other then
that they are about the same as a gas. main things
were the head and manifold.
Andrew
starter tank in front of the main tank. A special
fuel bowl that is designed for 2 tank input. Other
things would have included a different manifold,
it would have had a heat shield and heat control
valve. The head would have been different when
compared to a gas mainly larger combustion chamber
to burn the low grade fuel, valves are slightly
different too. There would have also been a
radiator shutter to get it up to temp quicker and
control heat. The carb was also slightly different
when compared to a gas burning engine. Other then
that they are about the same as a gas. main things
were the head and manifold.
Andrew
The Super H hood has McCormick above the Farmall, and IH in front of Farmall, as do all hoods from mid-1949 up. From about 1945 until mid 1949 there was an IH in front of McCormick Deering Farmall. In 1943, there was no IH on the decal, and it read McCormick Deering Farmall. So, if you can read the Deering, it is not a SH hood. If it doesn't have the Deering, it may or may not be a Super H hood. I don't think the SH hood has the hole to grease the steering u-joint, not sure though.
Primer, if you could give a better look at the manifold I could tell for sure, but it looks like a gas manifold on it. However, the carb has the distillate drain plug.
Also, if you could give a picture of the right side... there should be the small gas tank over there.
That tractor has a lot of rust on it. It will be a challenging project! Good luck!
Also, if you could give a picture of the right side... there should be the small gas tank over there.
That tractor has a lot of rust on it. It will be a challenging project! Good luck!
I'll try to get some better pictures of the manifold soon. I'm pretty sure it is a Gas one, since I didn't see any sort of valve in it. I've never seen one of these before would be interesting if someone has a picture of one.
The Small Gas tank is missing which is what got this thread started. I wanted to make sure that it should have had one due to the hole for it in the hood. It also has a regular gas sediment bowl/valve. At least it only has one inlet.
As for the rust, Ya its got alot of surface rust. My other H looked very similar to this when I got it as well. Most of my projects are challenging.
BTW: the control rod is there for the Shutters. all the way up to the place by the oil fill. But the shutters are long since gone.. Figures.. :?
My grandpa always said, the good motors are the ones that are stuck. He said any worn out, sloppy, POS is the one that 20 years of sitting and moisture couldn't get stuck.
I am beginning to think he is right. He should know, he has restored 30+ Ford cars from 20s-70s.I began working on this project again a few weeks ago after putting it in hiatus in 2010.
You may have seen my recent posts on the operational issues I'm having that I need to work out. I thought I'd resurrect this thread to show all that are giving me advice on it again what it looks like today.
Story Time (Novel Version)
I have a "fixed up" 1951 H. (Didn't use the restored term there to avoid flack) I decided that this one wouldn't get that treatment at this point, at least no cosmetic treatment. I liked it rusty with some paint remains, so I wanted to leave it that way but get it mechanically sound. I had envisioned that I would make some alterations to it. Wide fronts aren't common around where I live on Farmall Hs and Ms so I decided I'd like to have that as well as on full steel if I could come up with the wheels. As you are probably aware, finding front steel wheels has turned out to be a very expensive proposition. It's still in my thoughts as something I'd like to do to it, but it was actually cheaper to get a good used set of tires then to buy the front wheels.
The tires that were on it were bad so I removed them and had to come up with a decent wheel that matched the "patina" of my tractor as one was way too wide. I also bought a pair of good used tires for the rear a few years ago for it and recently got an ok set of used fronts for it as well.
An Adjustable wheel base Wide front came up on craigslist and I thought that I had read there was very little difference in them between an H and M. It had a broken knuckle but everything else appeared to be there. After getting it home I discovered the adapter plate was way too wide and wouldn't work right on the H. The steering arm was made from a hitch extension and had a modern tie rod end welded to the old link that went on the steering. I thought I could make it work but the plate would be a problem. I had found you could buy reproduction knuckles reasonably priced. (IMO..)
I found out the year before last that a friend's father had one of these same wide fronts for an H. Though he stated it was missing the adapter plate. It was also buried in a junk pile and I wasn't likely going to see it until they cleaned up that junk. Sadly his father passed and they started the farm clean up and they finally found that wide front and called me. I went to check it out and it had the plate though part of the pedestal had been broken and it was welded to the plate. I thought I could make this work. I was ecstatic it about it and it also had the steering arm I needed but the support bars had been torched off. I figured between this and the other I could make one and I felt at the time the plate looked smaller than the one I had that I knew was for an M. Well when I got home with it I did some measuring and found the plate and steering arm were both M parts. (ugh) Back to square one. I did some searching online with the IH part number for the plate and found a tractor salvage yard in Maine had a plate for sale. I contacted the guy and worked out a deal on the plate and the arm he had and he shipped it to me.
That got the bug rolling to start putting it back together and convert the front end. I ended up using the front end I first got and the knuckles from the second one. It was an earlier style with earlier hubs like my tractor had, and come to find out the threads on the spindles were coarse on the old ones with a clamping castle nut vs the newer ones having fine threads and a regular castle nut with just a cotter pin.
I cleaned up the rear rims in side and painted them so the tubes wouldn't be damaged and mounted up the tires. We drug it out and got it running again and I took it to the shop side of my shed to begin the conversion. I don't have too many pictures of the changeover but I'll post what I do have.
I believe this tractor was not equipped with lighting and starter equipment when it was produced. The headlight bar, tail light mount and starter button bracket were homemade. I wasn't going to change them but I found a good rear tail light in my local savage yard with red light in it on the correct mount so I decided to put that on. I didn't like the terminals of the starter button just hanging out so I decided to get the proper bracket for that as well. The homemade headlight bar looks good enough to me to stay.
A couple of other additions it was missing that have been replaced with found used parts. Battery box, PTO Shield, wiring for tail light with metal shielding. Starter tank and cap. The tank was missing the cap and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a rusty used cap for a starter tank. I even got a set of shutters for it but they haven't made it on yet. I don't have the link to go from the side of the engine oil fill part to the shutters themselves and the adjustment thing is still froze up for now. Oh, and the seat was shot. My 51 came with an old cast Deering mower skeleton seat fasted to it on part of old seat. It had been sitting around waiting on a home forever and I decided this tractor was as good a home as anything.
Things yet to be accomplished
The engine isn't running right. Under load it’s perfect but not under load it misses and carries on. I have a thread going about this so hopefully that will be resolved soon.
I think the water pump is leaking. Though I'm not sure why I would be seeing coolant coming out of the center of the fan I'm not sure. It doesn't drip down the block just out the fan...
On top of that, there is a noise the engine makes that I can't even begin to describe. Its not a knock sound or anything bad. I'm hoping it has something to do with this running issue. It may not though. Best I could describe it would be a really loud cricket. I dunno.
Leaking rear main seal
The engine could use an overhaul. Other than lack of smoothness it runs well, doesn't smoke, and carries good oil pressure. (To the gauge) We did a compression test and the best i saw was 50 on 1 & 4 and about 45 on 2 & 3. At this point I'll probably leave this till last.
Starter and Genny rebuild, and wiring.
Lights all actually work just need rewired.
PTO lever is broken off. I got a used one from the junk yard just need to pull the PTO to swap it out. (Another task for the next step later on)
The Clutch is sticky but that may be related to the leaking rear main seal. I have a thread going on that too.
If I can get it running properly I’ll probably take it to my local shows next year. There’s always lots of fixed up H’s. I’ll take this old one for the before after photos. Hehe.
Well, if you’ve made it this far then you deserve to see some pictures. You can scroll to the beginning of the thread for pictures of how it was when I brought it home.
This picture is a shot of it just before I parked it in 2010 and pulled the rear tires.
Removed Tricycle front with steering arm installed
Adapter plate bolted up Wide front mocked up to see what it was going to look like.
H Adapter Plate
Homemade Headlight Bar and Starter Switch
Seat
Out and about..
You may have seen my recent posts on the operational issues I'm having that I need to work out. I thought I'd resurrect this thread to show all that are giving me advice on it again what it looks like today.
Story Time (Novel Version)
I have a "fixed up" 1951 H. (Didn't use the restored term there to avoid flack) I decided that this one wouldn't get that treatment at this point, at least no cosmetic treatment. I liked it rusty with some paint remains, so I wanted to leave it that way but get it mechanically sound. I had envisioned that I would make some alterations to it. Wide fronts aren't common around where I live on Farmall Hs and Ms so I decided I'd like to have that as well as on full steel if I could come up with the wheels. As you are probably aware, finding front steel wheels has turned out to be a very expensive proposition. It's still in my thoughts as something I'd like to do to it, but it was actually cheaper to get a good used set of tires then to buy the front wheels.
The tires that were on it were bad so I removed them and had to come up with a decent wheel that matched the "patina" of my tractor as one was way too wide. I also bought a pair of good used tires for the rear a few years ago for it and recently got an ok set of used fronts for it as well.
An Adjustable wheel base Wide front came up on craigslist and I thought that I had read there was very little difference in them between an H and M. It had a broken knuckle but everything else appeared to be there. After getting it home I discovered the adapter plate was way too wide and wouldn't work right on the H. The steering arm was made from a hitch extension and had a modern tie rod end welded to the old link that went on the steering. I thought I could make it work but the plate would be a problem. I had found you could buy reproduction knuckles reasonably priced. (IMO..)
I found out the year before last that a friend's father had one of these same wide fronts for an H. Though he stated it was missing the adapter plate. It was also buried in a junk pile and I wasn't likely going to see it until they cleaned up that junk. Sadly his father passed and they started the farm clean up and they finally found that wide front and called me. I went to check it out and it had the plate though part of the pedestal had been broken and it was welded to the plate. I thought I could make this work. I was ecstatic it about it and it also had the steering arm I needed but the support bars had been torched off. I figured between this and the other I could make one and I felt at the time the plate looked smaller than the one I had that I knew was for an M. Well when I got home with it I did some measuring and found the plate and steering arm were both M parts. (ugh) Back to square one. I did some searching online with the IH part number for the plate and found a tractor salvage yard in Maine had a plate for sale. I contacted the guy and worked out a deal on the plate and the arm he had and he shipped it to me.
That got the bug rolling to start putting it back together and convert the front end. I ended up using the front end I first got and the knuckles from the second one. It was an earlier style with earlier hubs like my tractor had, and come to find out the threads on the spindles were coarse on the old ones with a clamping castle nut vs the newer ones having fine threads and a regular castle nut with just a cotter pin.
I cleaned up the rear rims in side and painted them so the tubes wouldn't be damaged and mounted up the tires. We drug it out and got it running again and I took it to the shop side of my shed to begin the conversion. I don't have too many pictures of the changeover but I'll post what I do have.
I believe this tractor was not equipped with lighting and starter equipment when it was produced. The headlight bar, tail light mount and starter button bracket were homemade. I wasn't going to change them but I found a good rear tail light in my local savage yard with red light in it on the correct mount so I decided to put that on. I didn't like the terminals of the starter button just hanging out so I decided to get the proper bracket for that as well. The homemade headlight bar looks good enough to me to stay.
A couple of other additions it was missing that have been replaced with found used parts. Battery box, PTO Shield, wiring for tail light with metal shielding. Starter tank and cap. The tank was missing the cap and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a rusty used cap for a starter tank. I even got a set of shutters for it but they haven't made it on yet. I don't have the link to go from the side of the engine oil fill part to the shutters themselves and the adjustment thing is still froze up for now. Oh, and the seat was shot. My 51 came with an old cast Deering mower skeleton seat fasted to it on part of old seat. It had been sitting around waiting on a home forever and I decided this tractor was as good a home as anything.
Things yet to be accomplished
The engine isn't running right. Under load it’s perfect but not under load it misses and carries on. I have a thread going about this so hopefully that will be resolved soon.
I think the water pump is leaking. Though I'm not sure why I would be seeing coolant coming out of the center of the fan I'm not sure. It doesn't drip down the block just out the fan...
On top of that, there is a noise the engine makes that I can't even begin to describe. Its not a knock sound or anything bad. I'm hoping it has something to do with this running issue. It may not though. Best I could describe it would be a really loud cricket. I dunno.
Leaking rear main seal
The engine could use an overhaul. Other than lack of smoothness it runs well, doesn't smoke, and carries good oil pressure. (To the gauge) We did a compression test and the best i saw was 50 on 1 & 4 and about 45 on 2 & 3. At this point I'll probably leave this till last.
Starter and Genny rebuild, and wiring.
Lights all actually work just need rewired.
PTO lever is broken off. I got a used one from the junk yard just need to pull the PTO to swap it out. (Another task for the next step later on)
The Clutch is sticky but that may be related to the leaking rear main seal. I have a thread going on that too.
If I can get it running properly I’ll probably take it to my local shows next year. There’s always lots of fixed up H’s. I’ll take this old one for the before after photos. Hehe.
Well, if you’ve made it this far then you deserve to see some pictures. You can scroll to the beginning of the thread for pictures of how it was when I brought it home.
This picture is a shot of it just before I parked it in 2010 and pulled the rear tires.
Removed Tricycle front with steering arm installed
Adapter plate bolted up Wide front mocked up to see what it was going to look like.
H Adapter Plate
Homemade Headlight Bar and Starter Switch
Seat
Out and about..
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