Is this super m worth it?

It's about 4 hours from me and the guy wants $3300 for it. There are none local to me and hard to find here. It's 6 volt runs well and doesn't smoke.















 
It's only a stage 1 with added live Hydraulics and the lights are
missing. Seems kinda high to me, but if you can't find them in your
area, then it might not be that bad... I would think $2500-2700 would
be more reasonable, in my area anyway.
 
Buy it now. It looks great, good rubber, no question about it. If you try to low ball him, it may be gone. It's only money after all... What's 500
bucks? True Son
 
I think it is at the sellers price. I also believe it is worth it if you want that tractor. If the engine runs well, and the drive train is not faded, it will serve well. Drive it in High gear to see if it pops out! The tires are worth 1500 if they are as good as they appear. Jim
 
Looks like a stage 2 that came without the engine driven hydraulic set up. Clutch housing is stage 2 anyway. Has M&W hydraulic pump and looks like a gear reduction starter. Has a 400 or 450 fan enclosure, stage 1 gear shift lever, wrong belt pulley gear box, generic battery box and a hundred series battery box cover and seat support. Would check other things closer if considering a purchase. Looks like mostly just a paint job put on. No lights or rubber boots on brake covers, no grill insert, no emblem on grill. For that price I would look around more. Of coarse if none in your area the final decision is up to you. Could be fine for a user tractor as is if that's what you want.
 
No way in H## would I pay that much for a tractor that isn't restored completely, If your going to spend that kinda money, buy something with live pto, Way over priced, $1800 would be top price of that tractor!!
 

Thanks for all the replies so far. There's one other near me but it's the same price and in worse condition. They just aren't around the north east for a good price. I'm in CT and that's in PA. I have been looking for awhile, I don't really like the 400 hood or style. I like the supers but if it's not worth it I don't want to spend that money on it. I'd use it lightly, and use it for parades hayrides and some local shows maybe.
 
That one is not in bad condition at all. You MAY be able to find a nicer one but you would have to probably travel a bit farther, so anything you gain would be spent on hauling. This one needs a little "touching up" here & there cosmetically, but the "mechanicals" look to be in good condition.
I would hold off making my final decision until I had a chance to see it in person, hear it run, drive it around a bit. Perhaps making some arrangement for him to hold it for you until you can quickly go to see it in person. IMO that's a lot of money to spend on just seeing pictures.
Once you get a chance to kick the tires, check the numbers, date codes etc & talk to the guy in person, I am sure you can come to a mutual agreement.
If he is in a big hurry to get it sold.......don't worry.....another will come along. We've all been in this same situation sometime in the past, some results were much better than others. It's really all up to you.
 
(quoted from post at 19:34:49 11/18/15) That one is not in bad condition at all. You MAY be able to find a nicer one but you would have to probably travel a bit farther, so anything you gain would be spent on hauling. This one needs a little "touching up" here & there cosmetically, but the "mechanicals" look to be in good condition.
I would hold off making my final decision until I had a chance to see it in person, hear it run, drive it around a bit. Perhaps making some arrangement for him to hold it for you until you can quickly go to see it in person. IMO that's a lot of money to spend on just seeing pictures.
Once you get a chance to kick the tires, check the numbers, date codes etc & talk to the guy in person, I am sure you can come to a mutual agreement.
If he is in a big hurry to get it sold.......don't worry.....another will come along. We've all been in this same situation sometime in the past, some results were much better than others. It's really all up to you.

We've been talking for about 2 weeks now, he came down from 3500 for it. I am going with my trailer Sunday, if it looks decent and drives well I'll probably end up with it. I did find one for 4500 but I don't really want to spend that, although it seems fully restored with a 3pt hitch
 
I would say you are approaching it the right way.
$4500 sounds like quite a bit, but you can easily put that much into one now-a-days not even counting your own labor & time.
Good luck, hope it follows you home.
 
(quoted from post at 05:07:09 11/19/15)
(quoted from post at 20:50:06 11/18/15) Should be able to find a SMTA for that price.


For what price? Around here SMTA are easily 8-12,000 :shock:

If you want to use it, I'd say it's worth the price. The rubber is what makes the difference. I've seen cheaper super Ms to be certain, but usually the rubber is rough.

I don't think you'd find a SMTA for that price.

I will say, that at 3k you're close to a gas 400/450 or 560... but the rubber at those prices are always a little rough. However you'd have a lot more tractor.
 
Nice lookin 'Super'. But WAY too high priced.IMHO. $1500 TO $2000 is about right.But,'location' means a lot.(and how badyou want
it.)
 
And here is an example from my neck of the woods. He is correct when he says priced to sell.

https://muncie.craigslist.org/grd/5285766973.html?lang=af

Just as something to compare to.
 
I checked Craigslist here a few days ago, and they were asking 3850 - 4300, for super A's, and we're not talking fully restored with new sneakers either.

If that SM drives well, steering isn't overly loose, is quiet in the transmission, brakes work well, I'd say you've got a fair deal with rubber that good.
 
I don't think you look very hard.
I live in northern CT, and I see M's and Super M's on craigslist frequently. They are often a lot closer, and in comparable condition. I purchased my 1953 Super M about 10 months ago. It appears that if it ever got repainted it was a long time ago. Mine has factory live hydraulics, Char-lynn power steering. The engine has 110 psi compression on all four cylinders. The only bad things are the tires are very old and the governor needs either an adjustment or to be rebuilt. That's it. I paid $2400. With good tires I would say this exact tractor could go for about $3200.
You have to keep in mind around the north east, old tractors are NOT selling fast, and they are certainly not a money making business. From a buyers perspective, if you have patience, you can score a good tractor for a good price. To me, $2400 for my tractor in its 100% correct, from factory configuration is a good deal. Far better than a franken super M that's 4 hours away.
Go on craigslist under Farm and garden and type in "super M", then look around the western mass area too.
 
(quoted from post at 05:07:09 11/19/15)
(quoted from post at 20:50:06 11/18/15) Should be able to find a SMTA for that price.


For what price? Around here SMTA are easily 8-12,000 :shock:

Uh,... No.
There was a 1954 SMTA in good shape on Hartford craigslist for $4500 not more than a few weeks ago. You need to be patient, the deals are out there. Only a MORON would pay that for a SMTA.
 
(quoted from post at 08:55:50 11/19/15) And here is an example from my neck of the woods. He is correct when he says priced to sell.

https://muncie.craigslist.org/grd/5285766973.html?lang=af

Just as something to compare to.


I'd take that! But it's on the other side of the country haha
 

I have been looking. I haven't seen any SMTA around here and there aren't any supers around here. You can look and see for yourself. I search all of Craigslist with a search
 
(quoted from post at 18:30:47 11/19/15) I don't think you look very hard.
I live in northern CT, and I see M's and Super M's on craigslist frequently. They are often a lot closer, and in comparable condition. I purchased my 1953 Super M about 10 months ago. It appears that if it ever got repainted it was a long time ago. Mine has factory live hydraulics, Char-lynn power steering. The engine has 110 psi compression on all four cylinders. The only bad things are the tires are very old and the governor needs either an adjustment or to be rebuilt. That's it. I paid $2400. With good tires I would say this exact tractor could go for about $3200.
You have to keep in mind around the north east, old tractors are NOT selling fast, and they are certainly not a money making business. From a buyers perspective, if you have patience, you can score a good tractor for a good price. To me, $2400 for my tractor in its 100% correct, from factory configuration is a good deal. Far better than a franken super M that's 4 hours away.
Go on craigslist under Farm and garden and type in "super M", then look around the western mass area too.

So from your description this tractor is priced well, seeing as it has excellent rubber. Tires will run you 1200 to 2000 for the rears depending on brand and if new tubes are needed and if they need loaded or not.
 
To me its not. If your looking for a tractor that you want to use, ok. But it appears that this tractor has a lot of incorrect parts on it. That to me devalues it. I'd say TOP dollar for me would be $2000.
 
(quoted from post at 18:53:08 11/19/15)
I have been looking. I haven't seen any SMTA around here and there aren't any supers around here. You can look and see for yourself. I search all of Craigslist with a search

You have to search every day for a while. Search Hartford CR, Western Mass CR, and you will find one. A lot of the tractors I see on Hartford CR have been on there for a while. I'm not making this up, I have seen several Super M's in either CT or MA that were priced good.
Think about it like real estate. A house that's priced too high sits on the market forever. One that's prices good sells fast. So you have to be on Craigslist every day and be ready to pounce on the deals. Tractors that are not priced at what would be considered a good deal, don't sell around here.
 
I don't think the price is way out of whack considering it's in the NE.

Dime a dozen Ms, Hs just don't exist around here and often they're plain worn out, dented rusty beasts.

As long as it's mechanically sound and the tires are as good as the look in the picture then it should serve you well.

Trying to save a few dollars on one that needs a few things fixed seems to back fire a lot of the time. Don't ask me how I know...

K
 
(quoted from post at 18:53:08 11/19/15)
I have been looking. I haven't seen any SMTA around here and there aren't any supers around here. You can look and see for yourself. I search all of Craigslist with a search

Heres what someone is claiming to be a 53 Super M.

http://nh.craigslist.org/grd/5298073487.html

I would get more pictures from the guy. Seeing as he's at $3000, it may be possible to chew him down to $2500. Another thing to look out for is some people claiming or otherwise thinking they have a Super M when in fact they actually have a straight M. This might be the case but it would be worth additional pictures.
 
Heres a fixer upper. Again, you could probably chew this guy down a bit if he's really looking to be rid of it. Not sure if your interested in a project or not. This does appear to be an actual SM but the seat doesn't look right to me. Good rubber.

http://burlington.craigslist.org/grd/5319488138.html


Heres a stage 1 SM setup for tractor pulling....

http://burlington.craigslist.org/grd/5307780757.html

If your looking for a farm functional tractor, here is it. Not a Super though...
http://scranton.craigslist.org/grd/5317287017.html


They are out there. I would be amazed if you couldn't find the right deal in a month. Christmas is coming and people will be needing money. Someone's wife will be squawking to get rid of that old tractor out in the barn and that would be your perfect opportunity.
 
(quoted from post at 11:15:43 11/19/15)
(quoted from post at 18:53:08 11/19/15)
I have been looking. I haven't seen any SMTA around here and there aren't any supers around here. You can look and see for yourself. I search all of Craigslist with a search

Heres what someone is claiming to be a 53 Super M.

http://nh.craigslist.org/grd/5298073487.html

I would get more pictures from the guy. Seeing as he's at $3000, it may be possible to chew him down to $2500. Another thing to look out for is some people claiming or otherwise thinking they have a Super M when in fact they actually have a straight M. This might be the case but it would be worth additional pictures.

I did see that one and I did ask for more info and pictures

My intended use is for local shows and hayrides/parades and light brush hog and raking
 
Look's like the guys on the east coast get reamed on a lot of tractor stuff compared to here in Missouri. Sheet metal looks pretty good but the chassis look's as it was in the salvage yard , then a rattle can paint job. Paint is very thin on frame,fenders plus nothing look's like it was taped off before painting. Wrong seat,no lights and no rubber covers on brakes. If we knew how it runs,drives (front wheels wobble in fifth gear) and how big the hole in the draw bar is you could tell the use , it's value. Here a super M in this condition would be around $1200-$1600 a CHERRY one 2000- 2500 . By adding the east coast premium of $500 I would think you would not want to pay more $ 2500. Just my 2 cents. I own 3 Super M's & 4 M's none of mine are worth that much and 2 have M&W 9 speeds. Good Luck Wildman
 
here in Massachusetts, I wouldn't feel bad about spending that much for the tractor, if the insides are as good as the outsides. Not at all.

Kills me what you guys in the middle of the country can buy tractors for, - like anything supply and demand. Just not as many to select from out here.

The "great scrap metal drive" cleared out all the really good deals.
 
(quoted from post at 16:41:29 11/19/15) here in Massachusetts, I wouldn't feel bad about spending that much for the tractor, if the insides are as good as the outsides. Not at all.

Kills me what you guys in the middle of the country can buy tractors for, - like anything supply and demand. Just not as many to select from out here.

The "great scrap metal drive" cleared out all the really good deals.

Yup, and we're paying a premium on stuff that's had to live though NE weather.

I was looking for a 2 bottom trailer plow a few years ago, just on the wrong side of the "great scrap metal drive". I heard about a lot of stuff that was available just a year ago.

Like you said, supply and demand. I do notice though things are not moving very quickly on Craigs List, a price adjustment might be coming....

K
 
(quoted from post at 17:03:47 11/19/15)
(quoted from post at 16:41:29 11/19/15) here in Massachusetts, I wouldn't feel bad about spending that much for the tractor, if the insides are as good as the outsides. Not at all.

Kills me what you guys in the middle of the country can buy tractors for, - like anything supply and demand. Just not as many to select from out here.

The "great scrap metal drive" cleared out all the really good deals.

Yup, and we're paying a premium on stuff that's had to live though NE weather.

I was looking for a 2 bottom trailer plow a few years ago, just on the wrong side of the "great scrap metal drive". I heard about a lot of stuff that was available just a year ago.

Like you said, supply and demand. I do notice though things are not moving very quickly on Craigs List, a price adjustment might be coming....

K

I know I am jealous too of what you can get out there. Thats just too far for me, even 4 hours with this much of a load is going to be a long haul for me
 
I think if engine, trans, steering is good and as other said tires as good as they look you be ok with it, just have to check it out, I don't understand how some thinks you get a fully restored one for that, I know I can spend 8- 10000 on restoring one not counting your labor, good luck with it if you get it.
 
Put a wanted ad on craigs list. Ive done it a few times and usually works. might get a guy that's just thinking about selling more motivated and you will get 1st chance at it. Put it on the wanted section and on the farm & garden section. Good Luck!
 
I haven't read what others said, I'll just tell you my gut reaction...that is not an honest tractor. Every time I buy something all painted up I find a marginal runner with a lot of defects hidden behind the shiny paint. What some folks call a restoration is questionable. I prefer something ugly that looks like it works.
 

I couldn't agree more. That's how my SM came.
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Here's my 53 SM. Obviously, if you want it to look nice, you need to clean it up and paint it. Maybe I will some day. But for now, she runs and drives perfect. I have a set of 15.5-38 Firestones that are going on it soon.
Take notice to the SMTA grill. That's the only part I can see that's not a SM part, unless they made some kind of mistake at the factory.
 
Good luck on your adventure. FWIW: I pulled my plain ole Farmall m home about 2.5 hours home behind my heavy 1/2 ton truck on a 14,000 GVW rated bumper pull trailer. My m had fluid in the tires but no cast weights.

My truck handled it like a dream. I was careful on the tractor positioning on the trailer to insure adequate tongue weight to prevent trailer swaying but not too much tongue weight so as to overload my trucks rear axle (which is easy to do on a half ton).
 
(quoted from post at 07:38:35 11/22/15) Good luck on your adventure. FWIW: I pulled my plain ole Farmall m home about 2.5 hours home behind my heavy 1/2 ton truck on a 14,000 GVW rated bumper pull trailer. My m had fluid in the tires but no cast weights.

My truck handled it like a dream. I was careful on the tractor positioning on the trailer to insure adequate tongue weight to prevent trailer swaying but not too much tongue weight so as to overload my trucks rear axle (which is easy to do on a half ton).



She followed me home. 10.4 mpg for 250 miles.

 
I wished my SM looked that good.

One mystery for me though is why does it have the fender extensions but the fender still mounted narrow?

Enjoy your SM!

K
 
Just one comment: I (and a lot of others here who have hauled equipment) would never, ever trust straps as tie-downs. For hauling lumber or something else that sits solid to the deck, several 10K rated straps over the load are "OK". For anything with wheels or tracks, 3/8" transport (G70) chains and binders are a must, especially when that which shouldn't happen, does. Straps stretch and can fail if the momentum of that stretch exceeds its load limit.

I once had a load of lumber under straps break the bolts out of the headache rack on a straight truck at about 5 mph when the lady in front of me misunderstood the flagman waving us through a construction zone, and she spiked the brakes. I had no choice but to do the same. Left a couple dents in the back of the cab. It could have been much worse. After that, I added another strap across each lift, and made sure each was "grunt" tight with a long bar. Even then. I would have felt better if they had allowed chains.
 

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