Is this a real super m?

I'm trying to get the serial number but is this a real super m? It's hard to tell but I'm guessing it's a 1952 if it is?

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Hard to tell from just some pictures. All I can do is make some observations on what can be seen. Can't tell if there is a serial plate or just the rivets. If there, it is painted over and not likely to be readable without some stripper.

It doesn't have disk brakes, which all Super Ms did. It has a blanking plate for a fuel pump, suggesting the block came from something other than a tractor. It has the large oil filter, which doesn't prove anything but is unusual. It has a few other oddities that make me think frankentractor.
 
(quoted from post at 15:25:02 11/10/15) I'm trying to get the serial number but is this a real super m? It's hard to tell but I'm guessing it's a 1952 if it is?

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super m's have disk breaks your photos show band breaks, my m has band breaks
 
I agree with the others - NOT a Super M.

A couple things on the engine (Delco distributor that likely replaced the OEM magneto, and remains of radiator shutter linkage) suggest an early production M.

Find the date codes on some the larger castings. A Super M will show date codes ending in X, Y or Z (which correspond to 1952, 53 and 54 respectively). Letters earlier in the alphabet indicate earlier years' production.
 
Going by the large oil filter, seat, and band brakes, I would say it's an early 40s M. Probably had an engine transplant. Looks like the serial tag
is missing.
 
Early M going by the fat oil filter, gage box, starter rod in steering post and a few other things. Has a different engine block from original also and SM carburetors had the choke lever to engine side.
 
If the cast fuel tank support is original I would guess behind engine was made in the last 5 weeks of 1940 or in 1941 with the transmission top cover having only 2 bolt holes for seat mounting.
Can't tell in picture if that's a block patch near governor.
 
If the engine is SM displacement, and the components work well, it would be an OK tractor. The band brakes are (to me) a plus in that they work better and more uniformly, than the disc brakes. If you need a Super M for show, or to complete a dream, this isn't it. If you need M power, it might be a good deal if the price comes down. Jim
 

NOT SM ! Its a cobbled up 40's , With no serial tag and seeing all that is not right, I would leave it set right there unless they gave it to me for scrap price, even at that there are so many nicer ,more original honest M's out there.
 
Referring to the front tank support and steering shaft center support. Made out of stamped steel like all H tractors to about the last week in Nov. 1940. Don't have a tractor picture. Parts of lower and upper supports shown in two pictures. Figured out before when the transmission top covers changed from two to four 5/8 threaded holes for the seat support. Memory is shaky on that right now but think it was used to very very near the end of 41. No problem Dave will do instead of mister.
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I have an M sitting in my shop that has the Super M decals on it. This tractor went through the IH dealer tractor rebuild special. Dealer would pick up the tired old M and rebuild the engine; slap on a coat of paint and put the SM decal on the hood. Thie tractor has the oversized pistons and cylinders that gives it the same displacement as an SM. The tractor pictured could have been through the same process sometime in the past.
 
My grandpa's M has the SM decals from the same program. I'm needing to repaint it and thinking I'll put SM on it like the IH dealer did.
 
Isn't the super m around 45 hp? I'm looking to get a little More horse power than my 48 h for pulling wagons uphill. It seems to be really killing the h. I was also wondering about the disk brakes vs the bands. I burned up the h brakes pretty bad this year
 
I have a 1940 M with the same stamped front tank support and the same 2 bolt cover plate on the block behind the governor. The block appears to be cast to accept the cover plate. I doubt that this is the original engine but does anyone know if IH made this engine for a different application; maybe fuel pump equipped power unit?
 

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