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ACEd 08-12-2012 15:01:09 65.5.210.56 Report to Moderator	Looking at 2 dozers about same features and both in decent condition as much as can tell. 1971 HD11B with winch for $8000 or 1971 D5 without winch for $11,000. Both 4-way blades, both open ROPS, both decent tracks and sprockets - possible HD11B better sprockets. D5 missing engine side covers. Don"t need winch - one more thing to go wrong and probably would never use it. Rear drives supposedly rebuilt on the D5. I like Allis from collecting point, but this will be a working machine. I would not mind saving 3000, but is it worth it from parts / repair standpoint? Any help - weak points of either machine - things to be particularly critical of would be appreciated. [Reply]   [No Email]
Eric in CA 08-13-2012 17:37:11 192.25.142.225 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-12-2012 15:01:09   The HD11 should be in a weight class between a D6 and D8. Don't know what the D5 is, but you could probably push more dirt with the AC. So far i havn't had any problems getting parts for mine, but it hasn't needed much either. Seems pretty bulletproof, but it's a 1958 vintage, not Fiat-Allis. [Reply]  [No Email]
ACEd 08-13-2012 17:58:00 65.5.210.56 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to Eric in CA, 08-13-2012 17:37:11   From what I am getting from sellers and other sources, both HD11B and D5 are about 24000-26000 pounds plus blade or closer to 28-30k with blade - the winch will add to the HD11 I was looking at, but otherwise - they seem to be similar in size [Reply]  [No Email]
Eric in CA 08-14-2012 13:55:54 192.25.142.225 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-13-2012 17:58:00   I will say however that the D5 looks like a very capable machine. I love my AC, but would certainly welcome a D5 to the stable. [Reply]  [No Email]
Eric in CA 08-14-2012 13:54:01 192.25.142.225 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-13-2012 17:58:00   From what I've found the HD is about a ton heavier and has 10 more hp than the turbo version of the D5. Add about a ton for a straight blade. I believe the D5 specs always include the weight of the blade, whereas the HD is spec'd without, being an ag tractor that often came without. [Reply]  [No Email]
JOHNNYfromMI 08-13-2012 06:47:52 74.115.62.95 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-12-2012 15:01:09   The Fiet Allis is a breakdown waiting to happen. If you want to really use it buy the Cat. Advice from a retired 42 years service Union Equipment Operator and PROUD of it! [Reply]  [No Email]
jm. 08-13-2012 05:13:14 75.105.64.38 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-12-2012 15:01:09   That is a no brainer.. First of all forget collecting the HD 11 not much value there. Dealer and parts suppot are almost non-existent. Then the D-5 will just be easier to get USEDS parts if something happens. Ten years from now I think you would be glad you bought the cat. [Reply]  [No Email]
Fritz Maurer 08-12-2012 15:48:24 216.137.136.147 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-12-2012 15:01:09   If you"re working it, it would have to be the Cat, regardless of the condition, from the parts standpoint alone. Whole lot easier to find a Cat dealer than a Fiat-Allis dealer. (if the stuff is even available) [Reply]  [No Email]
ACEd 08-13-2012 08:13:26 65.5.210.56 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to Fritz Maurer, 08-12-2012 15:48:24   When I say Working - I dont mean heavy work - I have 110 acres of land with timber planted after Hurricane Katrina - need to reclear roads and areas where it has grown up. Also need to clear a spot for new building. Probably won't see 50 to 100 hours a year. I really like the AC line - have a HD6B - but it has steering clutch issues. I'm leaning to spending a bit more and getting the Cat D5. Seem to be a lot of them in the late 60's early 70's vintage in the 10-15k range, so parts should be available if i need them. Is $10-15k a reasonable range for a good machine? Even found 1 advertised on Machinery Trader for $8200 (about same as the HD11B I was looking at). Anyone know anything about that dozer / close to Lees Summit, MO http://www.machinerytrader.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=8596347&. Probably still cheaper at $11k locally by the time you figure hauling 600 miles. Anything specific to look for on D5. Thanks again. Ed [Reply]  [No Email]
Cat dozer 08-13-2012 09:51:05 96.53.210.246 Report to Moderator	Re: HD11B vs D5 - Need decision points in reply to ACEd, 08-13-2012 08:13:26   Don't buy based solely on price. A dozer with 75% undercarriage and everything works properly is a better buy at 11 or $12,000 than a dozer needing undercarriage and other repairs at $8000. Take someone with you that knows cats before you buy. [Reply]  [No Email]