Cat 35 and cat 22's Pictures

So researching researching researching... not alot out there about the Gas 35s... Have no clue what they are worth, because, well, I cant find any records of any sold... Kinda starting to get curious also... this is 5c 13... I cant find any with numbers lower than 199... a couple in museums, one owned by a person up the road from me, but not in real great shape that one... Any ideas on what this 35 will be worth if i strip it down, prime it, paint it, make sure its mechanically running well???

Thirty Five's are not that common, I think I responded with info previously on that, all those tractors would clean up nice looking from here, that 35 would have collector value, more than a twenty two model, hard to put a value on it, except what a collector would pay for a Thirty Five, because of the lower production run, and subsequent remaining tractors out there today.

It's hard to say what the condition the undercarriages are in, grousers are worn on all of them 'cept the orchard Twenty-Two, tracks look tight, are they at the end of adjustment? Don't matter that much for a fixer-upper, and light use, but good to know before purchase. They look reasonably complete, with good manifolds, though none have the side engine covers, one could make or have those made. Be nice to see all of those in running condition, nice find, thanks for posting some photos.

I dont think they are at the end of their adjustment... Still learning about them. But the local tractor club guys said they thought there was good adjustment left... What is a grouser? As far as running condition. all the 22's were running 5 years ago. I will probably clean up the cleanest one and sell it. the local club said if its as clean as they think it is and get it running, said not to take less than 5, course couple guys werent happy when the pres of the club told me that cause they were tryin to snake it for 1200 LOL...They are also trying to research the 35 for me, from what i have found so far its the lowest known production number gas 35. 5c13, next lowest so far i'v found was 5c199. I've been told that even though production numbers were only a couple hundred apart 1768 gas and a little over 1900 diesel, that alot more diesels are still around but not many gas. No one seems to know why though, although they all said gas would be more desireable even in that period.

The track pads are commonly called Grouser Pads, the cleat on the pad is what I referred to being worn. You can re-grouser, (install new grouser bar) pads if the rest of the pad is not significantly worn etc. You should do some research on measuring track components, I attached a link that should help, seems the site is always being worked on, the component images are missing under each track component measuring description.

They all look like nice tractors to start with, hopefully had its exhaust covered and no condensation in the combustion chamber/seized rings etc.

I would think the Thirty Five and the Orchard Twenty Two would be the most desirable, the latter has smaller track pads on it.

$5000 for a complete, original, running Thirty Five gas, with a decent undercarriage appears to be reasonable or within reason, but this is a low production tractor, somewhat scarce, really hard to put a value on it from here, but given the model, don't forget location and the current market for collectors. Its nice to be fair to others when selling things like this, some people over price things like this. Again, that is a nice group of old caterpillars, hopefully none are seized and they never go to the scrap yard.
Measuring Undercarriage

I don,,t know about the last sentence. From what I have found (and the only cat,s I colect are 35,s) the disel was worth more during their period and probably a little more colectable today. There are some photos on the net of a 35 disel I brought from Califorina restored and exported to U.K. for over 20 thousand but most are in the 4 to 5 thousand range. Lot depends on location just about as much as condition. Seems tere are still more older cat crawlers in Califorina than back east.

The 35 has a seized engine,the rest are not seized. Just got a monitor and scope today so we'll go in the spark plug holes and see what the rust looks like... I planned on going as far as new pistons, rings, and resleeving if i have to. The 35 and Orchard will get COMPLETELY torn apart, sandblasted, primed and repainted. The orchard has had the grousers built up? rewelded at some point? The local club gave me the info on the 35. In their opinion and from what i have found so far on gas/diesel, is that there are more diesel 35s currently available than gas. (diesels)more desireable during period??? but also maybe more available because??? engines lasted longer? I have found six or 7 for sale in past few years on diesel, but only 1 gas that went up for sale, and never a restored one.

I would find out what seized it up, for a tractor like that, it would be prudent to disassemble the motor and repair it correctly, vs, penetrating oils and all the other means to free up the motor, some of those parts in that motor could be very scarce to find like a crank that you bent or broke from trying to free it up by towing in gear for example.

My understanding of these era caterpillars is that they were built for agricultural use, and the smaller front idlers on the track frames usually denote that, it makes them easier to turn, the photo of the Thirty-Five shows this. Farmers were accustomed to gasoline powered tractors by this time, diesel engines were developed and in the beginning farmers were skeptical, as far as gas vs diesel sales and relative manufacture numbers of each seem to be almost equal, hard to figure why either would hold more value based on the engine type, 1700+ gas Thirty Five's and 1900+ diesel Thirty Five's were built.

yes! i will NOT be towing in gear!!! i had planned on lightly trying to tow it in neutral, if that didnt move it then i was going to jack it up, get it on beams, get it high enough to back a trailer under it and lower it onto the trailer. When i get it in the shop i'll be completely disassembling it engine first and find out what needs to be done to it. They are pretty low run tractors so i was happy with the find. being number 13 off the line wasnt bad either.. Its not #1 but i cant find any records of #1 through #12 so as far as i can tell it may be the lowest serial number of the 5c series known right now

That early of a production number could possibly add to the value, but don't quote me. Its a nice size tractor, about the size of an early D6, the diesel Thirty Five had that 3 cylinder motor, as did the early D6's, they sure sounded good.

My older and higher hour D7 has a stuck motor, had a can on the stack too, but sat too long I think, I retrieved it from another farm where someone had borrowed it from my father in the late 70's. When I get to it, will have to do the same thing and I did try and get it to move 3 different ways, just stuck and the only way to deal with it is to get the heads off and soak those cylinders. My other one I turn the motor by hand at least 1x per month, as I've not been able to replace the clutch in it yet, works fine to keep it from seizing.