beggers cant be choosers

georgeR

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but one can shop around a bit.

I need to get my hands on a dozer, something small, but not anemic or obsolete for that matter

renting has never been an option for me I like to have the tool years after just in case I get more crazy ideas.

I already own among other things a JD 310 backhoe, I am not in anyway partial to the brand, I bought what was available and I could afford at the time, same applies to my next purchase, I know you get what you pay for no secret there, but not everybody can afford to have all the nice toys,

I mostly think I can use the dozer for grading, the loader does not do a great job, goes over the hills and digs into the valleys, I can do a decent job compensating and back blading but I got 2 acres to level this spring I'm afraid I'll beat the loader too much and not do as good of a job as I could.

I saw a jd 350 dozer locally, tracks at 40% runs, manual tilt and angle on the blade, I am kindof partial to it just because I already have the jd 310 hoe, a 450b, a 1010, a Td9 dozer international , few case 310 ( those are gas I believe ), 1970's case 1150 bull dozer, and a MF unknown model/size,

granted they all run, they all need some work, some more than others and the price reflects it, or some owners are more honest than others, some claim wear, some recent repairs, I am a decent mechanic just not familiar with this animal, brands sizes parts availability etc.

what should I look for? something that parts are still available, nothing seems affordable, a tension spring on a jd I saw for $350?

any direction much apreciated
 
I don't know what you mean by level ? Sometimes a big disc behind a regular tractor will do a lot of leveling. You can also use the backhoe end to level and move dirt as needed. Yes the front loader buckets on a TLB are pretty much worthless to dig or grade with as the front ends are too light and bounce around.
 
(quoted from post at 12:53:06 02/20/15) I don't know what you mean by level ? Sometimes a big disc behind a regular tractor will do a lot of leveling. You can also use the backhoe end to level and move dirt as needed. Yes the front loader buckets on a TLB are pretty much worthless to dig or grade with as the front ends are too light and bounce around.
I DO HAVE A FERGUSON WITH A DISK and yes it does a decent job, I am bringing in lots of dirt and I need more than a disk, I started with raw woods and tackled them with a hatchet an machete, since I got some toys but even my boxblade seems a bit underpowered, there are many ways of skinning a cat but last time I used the loader to spread some dirt I beat up the machine pretty bad those dozers make the same job look easy, and I do have older equipment so I don't want to beat it up too bad.

an international 500 just showed up locally I'll have a look at it tomorrow
 

A dozer is not a grader any more than a backhoe is. For far less than the cost of a dozer you could get a pull-beind grader/road maintainer:

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or cobble up a blade in the middle of the undercarriage where it will work right (if not as well as on a really long machine like a real grader.)

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Start with the backhoe on any particularly bad spots.
 
I looked ad these options before, my ferguson came with a snow plow and the thought of mounting it under the belly has crossed my mind

I hooked up with a construction company and the first week they brought in 27 gravel trains of dirt, this is more than a scraping job.

I'm mostly looking for info on what is a good brand, model to look forward to.

at the moment whats available is an IH 500 with 6 way blade all hydraulic and a jd 350 but the tilt and angle is manual

I tackled several of these loads with my loader backhoe but its hard on the old beast and the fergy is gutless, I do have a box blade for it too, there are other foreseeable projects, so I want a small dozer at this point
 
You'll sure be a lot happier with a 6 way hydraulic blade. And the IH 500 is a good machine, and usually under priced compared to Deeres. I'd give it some strong consideration.
 
I had a 500C for years---it was a great little machine---cut trails and leveled off a 4 acre field that was all forest
 
I've done large commercial jobs with a pull type box scraper. Used to build ball diamonds, soccer fields, football fields, ect, and horse tracks. Did this all with a 12 ft. box scraper and a Ford 8000. (about 110-120 hp. two wheel drive with duals.) It is a cheap way to move a lot of dirt. I also had a scrape and carry type for moving dirt long distances.
Click on link for info on speed movers and carry alls. This the brand I used because they were local to me.
Kuntz Equipment
 
well my quest is over, I bought the IH 500 today, the trick is I need chains to say the least, the JD had good tracks but sucky blade, plus I got a good deal, the machine looks in decent order, with all things this old it needs some things, mostly minor tune up stuff not worth typing about it.

the biggie is the track chain, is shot, owner advertised it as 50% my left nut, there is barely a trace of bushings left, it was shot 20 years ago and they beat it some more.

it tends to drift a bit to the right, and it turns right better than it does left but it does turn, I figured that 6 way blade makes it worth while to put some money into it, if I got to do tracks I should do the bottom rollers, 5 on each side I believe, least I should inspect them, sprockets look ok, mind you I did not use a gauge but the tips are still round, they are not razor sharp yet, I know new track on old sprockets is not the best idea, we'll see how much I can get this stuff for.

I know its not the straight 500 because it comes with a 3 cyl diesel, so I am thinking its either the C or E model, dash tag is worn out, I'll get some pics up see if you all can help identify it, there is a series on youtube on a 500c resto, I think that is what I ended up with, so IH it is than, I am happy with my purchase even thou I have to to the tracks just to start off, at the end I know what I got, by the time I am 8k into it I should have a lot done , which barely buys you a decent condition used dozer if you can find one.

so if any of you have a clue what am I in for and where is a good place to source parts, track chain and bottom rollers in particular to get me started, I wont know the condition of the rollers till I take the track off, but I figured this would be a good time if needed.
 
70 + years old , raised in an ih construction dealership and operated a large ih salvage yard for years. Guess you could say I have some ih experience. Depending on your location might could help you on locating track chains. Certainly can answer other questions you are bound to have. e-mail is open.
 
(quoted from post at 18:59:56 02/21/15) 70 + years old , raised in an ih construction dealership and operated a large ih salvage yard for years. Guess you could say I have some ih experience. Depending on your location might could help you on locating track chains. Certainly can answer other questions you are bound to have. e-mail is open.

where I grew up, they say if you don't have an old timer nearby go get you one, so I sure do appreciate folks like you spending time on these forums, I came of age right about when the internet got going, not sure what I would have done with myself without forums and other enthusiasts, all I ever had was old iron that no one else wanted.

I am in Detroit, MI area.

my first question would be to you or the forum, does anyone have the official specs on these chains?

I read pitch is 6" and bushings OD new 1.68" but that's how far I made it.

A good used chain on the cheap would be Ideal for an old machine, thou I have considered new if available, looks like this type is unobtanium. and used ones will run out eventually

it would be easier to try and match it to a modern existing chain, looks like a few folks are on this boat, and most of these machines were given up due to UC.

oh and while you are at it, I suspect the bottom rollers may need some attention, can they be rebuilt? or sourced by other means

PS I cant seem to update my profile, post location nor figure out how to email you, I do however prefer to keep conversations on the forum so the next rigger to be faced with this issue can find some info, I searched and did not get much so far
 
I had bought aftermarket bottom rollers from Industrial Tractor supply. Other rollers i just weld up to original diameter
 
that is something I have considered, especially if the bearings are still good, or if they are not I have considered rebuilding them, they are still on the machine so I have no Idea what they look like or if that's even possible

do you remember what those aftermarket rollers cost? I'll be sure to call them Monday see if they still carry them[/img]
 
so what did I end up with? I think its a 500 c or e it has the 3 banger diesel, I tried to look up some pics to tell the 2 models apart but had not much luck

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the dash tag is worthless, been painted over and brushed off clean, almost makes you wonder

hopefully some that know better can tell by the instruments or lever location which model it is, if they were different at all

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looks like I have the 14" snow shoes, I read somewhere last night that there are supposed to be 35 links on the chain, I and the wife counted them twice each, we only have 34 each side so it certainly looks like they have been shorted, and I am 2 pads and links shy


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and here are some serial #s, couple from the final drives, one did mention Canada so at least that part was made in canada, and one number off the intake manifold..

the only other # I could barely descifer was on the rear sprockets 836742R2I think
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definitely looks like a 500c---the 500 had a weird raised yoke that adjusted the idler.
previous owner may have removed one link to shorten track to make up for wear
 
it was 10 years ago--they were In-2800 SF
rollers at $105
my 500c was a 1972 Vin # 3236---check that dash plate for a stamping for the #
 

I am pretty sure it is not the straight 500 because it has the 3 banger diesel, and I read that motor was only available in either the the C or E series only, now question is which have I got, were the E's any different? I read something about the steering clutches to be upgraded from 9 inch to 9.5 in the late C series and all the Es, but so far those are the only differences I came across and it still doesn't tell me anything unless I got 9" clutches and that is definitely a C, I have yet to mess with them
 
that dash plate has the number 15 stamped, can almoast see it in the pic, not much else I going to pop it off see if I can make something out from the opposite side

short of weighing it
500c 1970-74 [ 407 ]
WT-9500lbs Loader-11900lbs
1377-1970
2577-1971
3189-1972
3018-1973
4961-1974

500e 1975-78
WT-10700lbs Loader-12359lbs
6000-1975
6445-1976
6822-1977
7187-1978

I do have a fancy 3 way blade all hydraulic, that wouldn't be the difference in weight would it? were both Cs and Es available with that blade?
 
George I really don't know much about the 500E--but i have seen pics of them and they had the same 6 way blade setup as the 500c
Weak points on the 500c--the clutch dogs on the front damper that drive the hydraulic pump wear quickly and eventually will not drive the pump
The pinion bearing/shaft in the final drive has a nut and carter pin that gets loose and then the assembly cracks the housing
 

I read about those, mine is operational if it doesn't throw a track and you don't push anything more than an inch of snow with it, but those cotter pins, while I hope and should still be in position, were on my to check list, the dogs up front, read something about removing the dust cover to inspect, I guess if they don't blow anything else up I should stock up on them for when they do, something about steering clutches, mine drifts a bit and turns one way better than the other.

a lot of this stuff is new to me and while I am no stranger to wrenched I have to get familiar with the machine, not a lot of posts on these repairs, with pictures, I like pictures, I'll probably post some when I open it, I have a clue where to find those cotter pins but not exactly, I'll figure it out when I look at it I hope
 
there is a 3 or 4 inch plate on the outside of the final drive that can be reached thru the spokes of the sprocket
the steering levers not only disengage the steering clutch but also apply the brake--there is a set procedure with dimensions to set the linkage properly
the hydraulic drive clutch is a plate with 4 dogs that bolts to the front belt pulley and there is a 4 dog collar splined to the pump shaft--it is spring loaded to stay engaged but slides back to change the fan belt. I think over $600 new---had mine machined when wore out
 
(quoted from post at 18:37:01 02/22/15) there is a 3 or 4 inch plate on the outside of the final drive that can be reached thru the spokes of the sprocket
the steering levers not only disengage the steering clutch but also apply the brake--there is a set procedure with dimensions to set the linkage properly
the hydraulic drive clutch is a plate with 4 dogs that bolts to the front belt pulley and there is a 4 dog collar splined to the pump shaft--it is spring loaded to stay engaged but slides back to change the fan belt. I think over $600 new---had mine machined when wore out

there are no spokes on my sprockets but I will look for that plate, if you all have that clutch procedure written up somewhere I'l love to see it, I'll search the forum also, are those dogs are on the front crankshaft pulley, bit confused as to weather they engage the hyd pump or the fan, what becomes inoperable when they fail?

in other tinkering I have done I have come across several other systems, like the air operated clutch on semi truck rad fans, or heck a centrifugal clutch on a go kart, I am pretty good at rigging stuff up where they don't belong, I'll have to have a look at that see what could be done if needed, I have an act for modding/hotrodding, etc, such that are prone to failure and unobtanium.

I took a gamble on this thing knowing tracks are hard to come by, worst case scenario, I'll rig up some newer sprockets and chain that are widely available and cheap, wish it had been done already but in my previous experiences I somehow end up with the job.

like I said I never had something nice I always end up with the stuff that no one else wants so I am used to it, sure do appreciate the heads up, I think I am at about 11k hours, looked at that briefly today, I hear the injection pump is unobtanium too, I'd re power it at that point
 
it might be just a round hole thru the sprocket to get to that plate---the clutch drive dog plate bolts to the front damper---the blade hydraulics become inoperable if it goes.
its been over 5 years since i totaled out my 500c and sold it for a parts machine--along with spare sprockets and full set of manuals
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what did you do? it looks like the same machine minus the decals and the roll cage, in what way were the E's different? can anyone tell them apart?

I don't remember seeing a hole in my sprockets, I'll have to check
 
Given the damage and the background I'll guess

Treeeus Impactus Dozerus in Extremis.

And be happy it didn't land 5 feet back, ROPS or no ROPS.
 
You got that right!! I wasn't on the machine when that happened---but i caused it!!

George--you should go post on the Red Power forum-
those guys know everything and could probably tell you the difference
 
GeorgeR. The 500c is a nice Mach had one for 20 years

The 500E had hyd assist steering levers and they were shorter
levers mounted closer to the seat for parts try a international
Junk yard in northern Indiana bates is the name bourbon is the
town I think
 
(quoted from post at 15:57:24 02/24/15) GeorgeR. The 500c is a nice Mach had one for 20 years

The 500E had hyd assist steering levers and they were shorter
levers mounted closer to the seat for parts try a international
Junk yard in northern Indiana bates is the name bourbon is the
town I think

so you reckon this is a 500 C just by looking at the pictures of the sticks on previous page?, I'll see if I can locate that junk yard
 
gorger, yes the E had little hyd cyl under the seat that ran the steering clutches and brake the levers were small like 5/16 or so rods with a ball knob on top sit back by seat between your legs on a metal pedestal of some sort

I looked over an E in the junk yard to see if I could convert my C to the hyd steer but never tried to do it

yes dan it is I lol
 
(quoted from post at 05:36:46 02/25/15) gorger, yes the E had little hyd cyl under the seat that ran the steering clutches and brake the levers were small like 5/16 or so rods with a ball knob on top sit back by seat between your legs on a metal pedestal of some sort

I looked over an E in the junk yard to see if I could convert my C to the hyd steer but never tried to do it

yes dan it is I lol

mine does not have a pedestal of any sort, here's a pic, I took some of the base of the sticks but they are too large to post
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gorge, I would bet the farm that is a 500c

did u check with bates corp I have got parts from them before

you may call these fellows on track parts

Boyd and sons machinery toll free 1-800-443-3909
 
(quoted from post at 09:20:31 02/26/15) gorge, I would bet the farm that is a 500c

did u check with bates corp I have got parts from them before

you may call these fellows on track parts

Boyd and sons machinery toll free 1-800-443-3909

I'll give it a go in the morning, I googled and called anybody I have been sent to, unless I missed that one that has exactly what I need,

There is a donor, relatively close, a member here owns it, we're just waiting out the snow at the moment and I shall have a look at it as soon as the weather allows.

I would love to find some new parts, and if I do I hope I can afford them too, I'm a little holding back on used stuff, thou this one donor looks promising.

I tend to keep my stuff forever, hardly ever sold anything so it would not hurt to have a spare machine in case I throw a rod or break a shaft at some point
 

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