Starting with ether

Stathamj

Member
I was wanting to get opinions on starting a dozer with ether. I don't have one yet . But, I'm looking for one. I personally don't like using ether. But, know of others who use it religiously mostly on farm tractors. I don't know anyone personally that owns any heavy equipment. But I think it's hard on the engine. But, by no means am I an expert on it. So, I was just wondering about every ones thoughts on this. I have seen people use this on their farm tractors all the time in the winter or they wouldn't start. But, I always thought this was due to poor maintenance. I'm not trying to get a feud started. Just trying to find out what the consensus is here.

Happy Thanksgiving

James
 
Ether is fine in moderate amounts, in big old american made engines, with thick piston tops, that are strong enough to withstand the pressure. Never use it on asian small diesels, as it will blow the piston tops down into the oil pan.
 
Your right, when it comes to ether, everyone seems to have an opinion. That said, a diesel engine doesn"t give a crap whether it"s running on diesel fuel, or ether, as long as the amount metered into it is "right". By that I mean over fueling an engine with either diesel or ether will ultimately cause damage in some form. The thing with ether is that it creates extremely high pressures in the combustion chamber if you spray too much in, and the ignition often happens "out of time" due to the lower ignition temp causing it to all explode before the piston reaches the correct point in it"s stroke.

The mistake most people make is trying to FOG it into the engine, in large amounts, thinking it will help start it faster. This usually turns into the engine making a really loud clunking sounds as the excess ether EXPLODES "out of time". Too many starts like this and you wind up with broken piston rings, the possibly of a bent pushrod or valves, etc, etc. Properly used the engine doesn"t know whether it's burning diesel fuel, ether, or gasoline(a rag wetted with gas laid on the air filter is another way to get one started on a cold day). Too, with the use of a starting aid, the engine starts faster so spends less time turning over with little to no oil pressure, thereby reducing wear on the internals, not to mention creating way less of a load on both the starter and battery, thereby prolonging the life of both of those parts also.

Many times I have gotten an engine running by misting a little bit of ether into the intake air stream as it was turning over. Then, by giving an small, intermittent shot of ether into the air stream I"ve kept them running long enough to bleed the fuel system (on ones where the injectors aren"t accessible to do it the usual way), or long enough to verify a problem when troubleshooting another fuel supply related problem.

Ultimately the ether itself won"t hurt an engine, regardless of what the doomsayers would like you to believe. What hurts the engine is the person doing the application being too heavy handed with the amount used. In fact most mfgs have ether start systems available for use on their engines when they are operated in cold conditions. I know for a fact that Detroit has an electronically controlled setup for the Series 50 engine in my service truck as I looked into it some years back. I wound up going with a manual setup from Quick Start since it was about a tenth the cost of Detroit"s electronic one, and works just as good. The main thing is that the charge of ether is metered through an orifice so you only get a really small shot for each push of the button.

In the end, yes, used improperly (ie-in excess), ether will kill and engine quicker than just about else you can do. As far as getting one addicted to ether, that usually happens because the engine has been fogged too many times, compression rings get broken, or worn due the ether washing the cylinder walls and basically causing scratches. Basically it creats conditions that lower cylinder pressures to the point that ether has to be used to get the engine running.

Ultimately, used PROPERLY, ether is an engines best friend when it comes to getting it started in cold weather, especially when it gets a little worn (naturally) and compression isn"t quite where it should be, and even more so at lower temps and glow plugs, a block heater, etc aren't available.
KBi

Quick Start
 
my Cat manual states 1 to 2 sec max burst into the air filter to start in cold weather on a non glow-plug engine
 
I have a 1960"s 20:1 diesel Ford tractor. The owners manual states useage of starting fluid to be acceptable. HOWEVER, IF USING STARTING FLUID DO NOT ACTUATE THE GLOW PLUGS WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF USING STARTING FLUID.
 
Read ingrediants big dif between eather and starting fluid sf is mostly petroliom gas witch isnot to hard on diesel eng unles grossly misused. RENE"
 
I think that most people I know after spending over fifty years in the heavy equipment repair business would rather not have to use starting fluid,why would you want to buy a machine that would need it,I have stripped and rebuilt heavy diesels of all sizes over the years and seen the results of the starting fluid,direct injected engines suffer the most,indirect injection survive on it longer,if the starting fluid is used very sparingly and the engine does not lock up when turning over it can last a long time,if too much is used and the engine locks up the top piston ring puts pressure on the ring land and this causes the second ring to stick in its groove that is usually the start of a failure,most heavy machinery nowerdays have 24 volt starting systems and glow plugs there should me no need for starting fluid,if the machine is vintage and needs the starting fluid it is worth having the kit for injecting the fluid fitted that will only inject a metered amount,my own choice is not to use it,or need to use it.
AJ
 
I use red cap can starting fluid because it does have some ludrication in it. If my diesel tractors sit too long , I will give them a little sniff to aviod burning out starters and batterys . but otherwise if they are started freqeuntly I never ues the stuff . We have an old welder with a 371 detroit and she loves either . kinda funny, she rattles and shakes unti the either burns off an then runs like a top .
 
Both when used on a ENGINE that is turning over tends to be the preferred method. Like a Women, get her get her parts moving before calling for the explosion.
 

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