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Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine

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Farmallb

03-08-2018 09:45:22




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mEl

03-12-2018 19:39:03




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
Farmall, that screw is NOWHERE near where it needs lubed, Those who know how the governors are built know that the internal shaft hangs at least 2 inches below the casting where the shaft comes out of its bearings you are wasting your time filling the crankcase through that hole as that is where the oil is going not anywhere you want it, did you read VAC Lee's post??? The bend in that arm down where the shaft comes out of the casting is unnatural, that lever looks identical to the VACs that come out the top but the shape is identical if you were to straighten it, the arm should come right across the shaft weld straight clear to the offset where the first bend occours. as bad as that is bent it could even have the internal shaft bound in its bearings. Good luck from now on , many of us have done our very best to explain to you what is wrong but you did not come on forum for help, you have battled us all the way, I will no longer respond to this thread, I have retired 4 years ago after working on these type engine governors and Case tractors for 50 plus years at the same dealership and the only difference is that your shaft comes out the side rather than on top. Again good luck.

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Farmallb

03-12-2018 22:48:53




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to mEl, 03-12-2018 19:39:03  
Im still wanting to know HOW to get ATF or Blaster back inside the shaft to where it will do what its supposed to. Ive posted that one or 2 times now, and nobody has said a good way to get the stuff back in the shaft with it setting sideways.
SORRY TO HAVE OFFENDED YA. SURE DIDNT INTEND TO.



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VACLee

03-13-2018 14:10:57




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-12-2018 22:48:53  
Here are pictures of 2 of the ones I have. They show that the upper portion of the arm should be straight. In looking at mine I see no way that yours could work properly. It might have some control but I still believe it would bind at some point. I would try to get it straighten out before I did anything else. It may very well be free by the time you get it repaired. As far as a way to get any solvent to the shaft all you can do it keep spraying it on the shaft and hope it seeps in. Lee

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Farmallb

03-13-2018 15:34:16




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to VACLee, 03-13-2018 14:10:57  
Ill get it done. Ive been working on the tie mech, as I couldn't get anywhere further with the engine. Do you think running it would free it by viabration?



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VACLee

03-14-2018 06:47:55




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-13-2018 15:34:16  
It might but I still think when you do whatever is required to get it straighten it may work. The movement and pressure from bending it back may free it up. If you unhook the throttle rod you should be able to slide a short piece of pipe over the end and pull it back straight. Could also put a little pressure on it at that time to see if it will move. Just don't get to aggressive. Lee



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Farmallb

03-14-2018 20:01:57




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to VACLee, 03-14-2018 06:47:55  
I was wondering how robust I could get with it.



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mEl

03-10-2018 19:04:08




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
1

Yeah it could even be an air seat!



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BarryfromIA

03-10-2018 18:56:45




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
The seat suspension may be a forklift part no. I have thought about them and if they would work on a tractor.



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mEl

03-10-2018 18:44:21




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
really nice work on that one, I like how he formed the RS grill side to accept the cooling fan housing, looks like it belongs there. Hadn't really thought about how one would hold up in a working tractor, Deutz used them years but that was their game and they were diesel. Nothing wrong with the air cooled concept.



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mEl

03-10-2018 18:08:14




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
The link is bent right above where it comes up out of the engine and looks like the bent part of the lever could be jammed up against the timing cover, it needs to be bent down where it comes out of the housing, most if not all of that lower curved bend has got to come out of the governor arm. If it has to be heated to get it straight it will have to be cause I wouldn't want to break that lever off the shaft. I do not know how it got bent but for sure that lever looks very unnatural.

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mEl

03-10-2018 17:57:00




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
farmall, that IS NOT a factory bend, the lever should be parallel with the other portions of the lever, it appears that the joint may even be against the tinwork from the pics, where the joint fastens should be straight up not cocked in as it is.
Thank you for your pics, that engine differs from the other Case engines in that governor comes out the side instead of the top, the pics clear that up. That linkage should be straightened so where the joint fastens on is straight up and parallel with the rest of the link, the bends are natural but that link is bent WAY in on top, Please straighten it out before you go any further.

It is no wonder we were not connecting on getting oil in that shaft as it is oriented so oil would puddle around it.

That link must be straightened!!!!!!!

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Farmallb

03-11-2018 08:15:32




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to mEl, 03-10-2018 17:57:00  
As to my question. After seeing the pics, any ideas on how to get Blaster or ATF in where it needs to be? Youll notice that the screw hole is way closer to the other side of the tube, then the opening that the shaft comes out of.



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Farmallb

03-10-2018 09:06:35




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
Well, after seeing the pics, has anybody come up with a good idee as to how to get either Blaster or ATF to the stuck parts of the gov?



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Adirondack case guy

03-10-2018 16:27:21




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-10-2018 09:06:35  
As already mentioned, the arm on the Gov. is bent. Have you straightened it and then tried to move it ?????
Loren



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Farmallb

03-10-2018 17:32:37




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Adirondack case guy, 03-10-2018 16:27:21  
Guy said he had the same bend in his as I do. I think that that is a company bend. I cant see anyway that I bent it. More over, Tho bent, that dosnt hinder what movement ive got. It has sat for 4 yrs without running, and it sat for a few years, but I would start it off of the belt on the H Farmall and it would run fine. It didn"t move those years as it wouldn"t tie. So, how could I have bent it? Id just start it, let it run a few minutes then try something with the tie mech , and when it didn"t work, shut it down.
I cant say how his got bent, but id bet its a company bend. That"s a pretty stiff piece of metal. It would take a pipe wrench to bend it.

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VACLee

03-08-2018 15:45:06




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
I have not followed your other post completely, but did you confirm that the governor is stuck and not the carburetor? I have 3 of those engines and just went out and checked them. On 2 out of the 3 the carburetor is stuck but the governor lever is free. Also the upright portion of the governor lever has been bent and in the picture looks as though it could have the rod pushed against the cylinder. Lee

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Farmallb

03-09-2018 16:39:33




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to VACLee, 03-08-2018 15:45:06  
YES, the gov is stuck.



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casecollectorsc

03-08-2018 10:22:42




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to Farmallb, 03-08-2018 09:45:22  
Case air-cooled A-125. Got one on a 77 Model pull type combine.



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denny k

03-08-2018 17:18:00




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to casecollectorsc, 03-08-2018 10:22:42  
Years ago I heard that engine could be put in a VAC. True or not?



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Farmallb

03-09-2018 16:41:34




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to denny k, 03-08-2018 17:18:00  
I doubt if the engine, air cooled would work for heavy drawbar work, plowing, discing. That's why they were put on combines and bailers.



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casecollectorsc

03-08-2018 19:31:32




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to denny k, 03-08-2018 17:18:00  
True. Every once in a while one turns up. Think there was one at the Albert City Case show...if I could find it in my pics. Years ago I helped a friend put one in a 1530 Case Uni-loader.



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connor9988

03-10-2018 18:18:01




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to casecollectorsc, 03-08-2018 19:31:32  

Here is the one that was at Albert City:



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ADB-IA

03-08-2018 10:47:51




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 Re: Pics of 140 W Case bailer engine in reply to casecollectorsc, 03-08-2018 10:22:42  
There is one coming up at an auction this Saturday at Centerville, IA. Listed as Case air cooled 4 cylinder. Doesn't list engine number.



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