Out of ideas III

Stephen Newell · Oct 27, 2017

The starter was the problem. Even though I had two of them doing the same thing once I had one of the starters overhauled it seems to have fixed it. I started the tractor a half dozen times without a problem. Now maybe I can put the tractor back together again. It's been a couple years since the hood has been on it.

I thank everyone's input on the last two threads. I just couldn't believe the way it was acting the starter was the problem. Strange how it would work sometimes and not others. They told me at the shop the guy that worked on the starter rewound the armature.

Case Nutty 1660 · Oct 27, 2017

Glad you got the problem solved,, I quit guessing on starters/gens/alts well over 40 years ago, I take them all to my starter/alt guy, he tests every thing and does excellent work, for me it is well worth paying for his service as I have never had the equipment nor the teaching to do them right,, I do everything else to my equipment but this and tires,, when my long time tire guy retires I am not sure what I will do then lol

Don Rudolph · Oct 27, 2017

Thanks for letting us know what the problem turned out to be. Don

casecollectorsc · Oct 27, 2017

That has to be a load off your mind. Glad you got it working.

Stephen Newell · Oct 27, 2017

With the starter I have it's not that simple. I took it to four different starter shops and none of them would even look at it. Someone here recommended a shop on the west side of downtown Dallas and I'm east of Dallas. With the traffic it's a half day project to take the thing in and another half day to pick it up. Anyway by the time I got the information of a shop to take it to I found a used starter online and ordered it. Then it got really confusing when both starters didn't work.

Brokengun · Oct 27, 2017

I bet that's a load off your mind.

I know the advice I gave you was about checking the timing. The reason I took that approach was based on the fact you had replaced the starter and solenoid which should have eliminated them from the equation.

99% of the time if you replace a part you eliminate that item as the problem but in your situation the problem remained. I also saw the pictures of the starter stud that you shared. That's just crazy. They should never break like that.

Well hopefully you have worked out your troubles and can enjoy your tractor

tomturkey · Oct 27, 2017

Stephen, I'm old so this is what I do. I used to think I would remember that this starter or that solenoid or a coil or any number of things was good, I'll put it on the shelf, just in case. Well then junk stuff that should have been tossed right away I'd save for parts. You know how it goes, a couple years go by and I can't remember crap about that stuff. Which was good which was for parts etc. So now I use a paint pen and write on them what they came off of and good bad etc. Tags fall off or get greasy or oil soaked unreadable. Yellow paint pen lasts a long time. Just my aged wisdom and poor memory to pass along. gobble

olgentdc · Oct 27, 2017

Good Golly And THANK GOD ,.. you got it figured out ,Congratulations ,,.,. I was comin in for lunch exasperated with my own problems and would read about yours Stephwn,..And I would not tradevTroubles ,.. But Golly ../this junk can beat a guy up bad ,,. and make you wanna pull your hair out ,..

Stephen Newell · Oct 27, 2017

I've got nothing but old vehicles and tractors. I save everything unless it's complete trash. Sometimes repairing the original parts are better than aftermarket parts. I use price tags I get at walmart with the string on it to label parts. With this bad starter I will use the same heavy duty tag the starter shop used that is held on with wire.

L.Fure · Oct 27, 2017

(quoted from post at 18:57:13 10/27/17) With the starter I have it's not that simple. I took it to four different starter shops and none of them would even look at it. Someone here recommended a shop on the west side of downtown Dallas and I'm east of Dallas. With the traffic it's a half day project to take the thing in and another half day to pick it up. Anyway by the time I got the information of a shop to take it to I found a used starter online and ordered it. Then it got really confusing when both starters didn't work.

Four starter shops wouldn't look at it? Why/how do they stay in business if they can not fix a starter for a tractor? At one time everyone that called themselves a mechanic knew how to test and rebuild starters, generators, alternators, and carburetors. I think it has come to the point in time where vintage tractor owners should learn how to repair the components that I listed. It's not that difficult to do. Everyone has the most important tool to learn these things sitting in front of them.

Stephen Newell · Oct 27, 2017

I imagine they only work on starters for newer vehicles. Even the shop I took it to said they didn't know if they had the parts in stock to overhaul it or not.

Stephen Newell · Oct 27, 2017

At my age I need to not be pulling hair. I hope it's fixed. I did start it again once and it hesitated a little.

Stephen Newell · Oct 27, 2017

It was a lot of work to try everything everyone suggested but that was alright. The starter cost 180 bucks to have overhauled and I needed to make sure it was the right thing to do. In any case in the process I did more maintenance on the tractor than I would have otherwise. Someone wanted to make sure there wasn't a internal problem with the motor so I ended up changing the oil to look for metal. Then someone wanted to know if I could rotate the motor by hand so I ended up having to remove the radiator to do that. Over time I've had a bunch of dirt dobers make nest in the radiator so all that got washed out as well as changing the coolant. Since I had it tore down so much I ended up touching up some paint and greasing everything. If the starter keeps running I should be in good shape now.

kevinthefixer · Oct 29, 2017

Glad you got it sorted! With these old things, maintenance is key. Not only were they designed in a time when people didn't mind regular maintenance, but now they're OLD and stuff is bound to wear out. Your radiator story is a case-in-point.

Stephen Newell · Oct 29, 2017

Now that I got it running the first time I tried to use it the hydraulic cylinders on the front loader blew out.

Bret4207 · Oct 30, 2017

Exactly what I recommended 2 weeks ago. Starters take a lot of wear and tear and putting a "new/used" starter on that hasn't been tested is a 50/50 gamble. I had the same basic problem with a JD 1010 I rebuilt. I thought I was going to have to tear the engine back out and spend a lot of money on it. Finally had a flash of common sense and took a good look at the starter. Not hard to take apart and see that it was trashed.

Glad you got it fixed!

L.Fure · Oct 30, 2017

(quoted from post at 03:48:59 10/30/17) Now that I got it running the first time I tried to use it the hydraulic cylinders on the front loader blew out.

The lift cylinders, or the bucket cylinders? By the time you get everything fixed you will have a new tractor. I wonder what will be the next surprise after you have the loader working?

Stephen Newell · Oct 30, 2017

On this tractor it has a large cylinder under each arm and one in the center to roll the bucket. It's the two large cylinders I need to fix. They have been leaking for a long time and one of them the seal has gone out completely. In reading up on how to overhaul them I find you are suppose to get a seal kit but I can't find any information on which kit it needs. Today I'm going to take one apart and see if I just need some O-rings.

L.Fure · Oct 30, 2017

(quoted from post at 16:50:24 10/30/17) On this tractor it has a large cylinder under each arm and one in the center to roll the bucket. It's the two large cylinders I need to fix. They have been leaking for a long time and one of them the seal has gone out completely. In reading up on how to overhaul them I find you are suppose to get a seal kit but I can't find any information on which kit it needs. Today I'm going to take one apart and see if I just need some O-rings.

If it's a Case loader all you need to know is the diameter of the cylinders. There are two different sizes, but I don't remember what the measurements are.

Stephen Newell · Oct 30, 2017

I think I will start another thread on the loader. This project is off to a bad start already.

Bret4207 · Oct 30, 2017

(quoted from post at 12:50:24 10/30/17) On this tractor it has a large cylinder under each arm and one in the center to roll the bucket. It's the two large cylinders I need to fix. They have been leaking for a long time and one of them the seal has gone out completely. In reading up on how to overhaul them I find you are suppose to get a seal kit but I can't find any information on which kit it needs. Today I'm going to take one apart and see if I just need some O-rings.

Any decent hydraulic shop should be able to help you out. Take one of the cylinders to them and they should be able to get you what you need.

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