jdemaris others,I have a few ? on a 530 backhoe

First of all I"d like to say HI all. I read and searched the archives many times on different projects like ford 8n,Luc,Ac D17,JD A"s and last but not least our MF 2244 bulldozer. The latest project is a Case 530 (ck)? The serial plate on the tractor says it"s a Case Mod. D530B serial# 8217566. The guy I bought it from says it is a 1959 model! This link, http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/snlookup.cgi?mf=CASE&md=430,+530,+530B,+630,+730,+830,+930,+and+1030, says a 1963 model.

It"s a Loader/Tractor/Backhoe combo, seems like it’s a factory setup. He gave me a manual with it that is only some what useful at best. Seems the info is for a 530 backhoe/ tractor (just not my year) a lot of the info in the manual is totally different which leads me to my first question what would be a good shop manual for the tractor? The backhoe/ loader manual seems pretty accurate.

The tractor has not run in 4 or more years, I was told the last time he used the tractor it ran fine, when he went back 2 days later it would never start and run again. He said he tried once to give it a shot of ether, and it would run and die. He gave up on it, and it has sat ever since. This is where I enter the picture. I had done a little pre-buying research, and found it had a Rossamaster IP on it. So I searched the forums and found all the typical problems i.e. stuck metering valve, bad plastic ring, plugged check valve, stuck plungers ect. ect.

This brings me to my next questions. My Rossamaster DBG431-27AJ pump has no check valve on it, and from doing some research of the IH-Case parts for sale online, doesn"t ever appeared to have one? It just says ELBOW, is that right? Or has someone already drilled it out? If it never had one should I put one in when I reseal/repair the pump to help it to hold pressure and stop the hammering effect & fuel drain back that can be caused without it? It had the usual problems: stuck metering valve,* which I freed up* & no pressure to the injectors...so the plungers must be stuck.

John could you give me the current part#"s bushing, reseal kit, the updated ring, the transfer pump blades, check valve (if needed on this model of pump), the little clear plastic timing window, and whatever else you think I may need when I call Usdiesel * I"D AT LEAST LIKE TO PRETEND I KNOW WHAT I"M DOING WHEN I CALL THEM..roflmao*

To-JDEMARIS could you please email me here Onlymenotu@gmail[dot]com I"d like to discuss some of your other off topic projects…( I went through your 726 pg photobucket pg).

I sent you a private email.

That fitting often called "check valve" is actually the "housing pressure regulator." Not all Roosamaster DB pumps have one. It depends on the age. I don't think that got commonly used unitl the early 1960s. Your pump sounds like a more recent pump though.

DBG431-27AJ is a 188 pump. "431" stands for four cylinders and pump plungers that are .27" diameter. Seems the entire # ought to be DBGFCC431-27AJ

[b:a4a949e294]JDemaris[/b:a4a949e294], Please check out the older post "Case 580D need 207 head/motor" as I left a reply there about your 207 diesel engine that you have (or had?) and were thinking about selling.

I'm interested in buying the engine if you still have it. I would have just sent you a PM, but for some reason private messaging is "currently under construction" or something... Anyhow, I didn't know how else to get your attention, so that's why I'm posting here. (Hope that's ok.)

Thanks, Andy [b:a4a949e294]avagianos at rochester[dot]rr[dot]com[/b:a4a949e294]

D530B model, I don"t know what the "B" stands for. Serial# shows 1963 is the year. 530 has model #31 loader & hoe. 530CK has model #32 loader and hoe.

Hi John,you are right in my haste to make the post I left off some of the pump info it is in fact a rossamaster [b:4724152c70]DBGFCC431-27AJ[/b:4724152c70] and the plungers are stuck so I guess come Monday I'll order the stuff to reseal/repair the pump.
The pump never appears to have the pressure regulating valve/ check valve on it. Would it be beneficial to to put one on it ? Or leave it be?


the parts list just says its a elbow!
*sorry the photobucket pic comes out blurry if you want need a better pic of it email me*

P.S. John , I sent you a private email did you get it?

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Hi Dennis, I sorta thought it was a 1963 model from the websites serial number page .
To be honest I've never really checked out the backhoe part of the tractor very much... At this point I just want to get it home!
I was told by another member here it was a
[b:4724152c70] True[/b:4724152c70] 530ck







Thanks for allthe help so far here on the forum and in private Tom

Tom,

If you just want to get your backhoe home, lift up the loader and put a 4x4 across the front of the hood/loader support, to hold the loader up, then take a couple of chains and come-alongs and pull the hoe up closer to the tractor so it doesn't drag on the ground when you go up the ramps. Then, back your trailer up to the machine and winch (or push) the 'ol girl up on the trailer.
Once you've gotten the loader bucket and hoe bucket off the ground at a reasonable height, if there's air in the tires, she'll roll right up on pretty easy. That's how we've moved dead hoes in the past.

As far as modifying your injection pump, don't. Just leave it as it was - no need to try to add any valves to it, as it's unnecessary. Leave well enough alone and don't add or subract parts. Just repair what ails it, put it back on, and get your tractor running and operating again, as that's what matters.

I'm curious, but do you know how long your backhoe has been sitting, and more importantly, WHY it was parked?
I ask because you may be in for some more surprises if and when you get it up and running!

Based on your pictures and Serial Number that you posted, YES, that is a "true" 530CK that you have there.
They were built from 1960 to 1966, and then replaced by the 580CK.
The S/N of 8217566: dictates that your machine was in fact built in 1963.

[b:6a30a426a4][u:6a30a426a4]530 CK Serial Numbers[/u:6a30a426a4]: [/b:6a30a426a4]
1960: 8160001
1961: 8168801
1962: 819001
[b:6a30a426a4]1963: 8208001[/b:6a30a426a4]
1964: 8229001
1965: 8253501
1966: 8279001


Anyhow, not that you asked for a big long storybook explanation, but I figured I'd take the time to explain a little about the 530 and 530CK's - for the archives and for the others that visit this site's benefit. Heck, I even included some nice pictures. So, read on if interested.

When looking at a Case 530 T/L/B, if you actually pay a little closer attention to some pretty obvious details when looking at them, you will notice some substancial differences between a 530 and a 530CK, which I will go into a little more detail below.

On the Pre-1960 Case 530 Tractor/Loader/Backhoe (with Model 31 loader & hoe):

The front-end loader design was actually the most "in-your-face" obvious difference.

1.) They did NOT have a hydraulic self-leveling bucket feature.
2.) The loader's dump cylinders attach directly to the loader arms and to the bucket, like most conventional Ag loaders use.
3.) The front frame stucture of the loader's frame is different. The 530 (model 31) loader had a massive "brush guard" if you will, built into the front "wrap-around" style loader frame. The loader framing ran horizontally and relatively parallel with the ground.
4.) The 530 T/L/B was still very much an AG tractor with the front hood tinwork constructed with the infamous Case "eyebrow" hood & headlight design. This required the front loader framing to be a "wrap around" design for strength and for a lower mounting support.
5.) On the hoe, you'll notice the boom swing cylinders are mounted up relatively high up, above the main pivot points and on either side of the boom "out in the open", so to speak.


[b:6a30a426a4]Below is a PIC of a Pre-1960 Case 530 with a Model 31 loader.[/b:6a30a426a4]




On a 1960-1966 Case 530CK (with Model 32 and later loaders & hoes):

1.)There is a short vertical hydraulic cylinder used for "self-leveling" the bucket when the loader is raised and lowered. It is located on the right side of the loader mast, just ahead of the loader control valves.
2.) Self-leveling bars and such are used and work via a pivot that is part of the loader arms. The dump/tilt cylinders mount to the loader from (and pivot at) the sides of the barrel, and not from the cylinder end. The rod end of the cylinders mounts directly to the loader arms, and NOT to the bucket. This setup allows for the self-leveling to function, as well as the ability to curl the bucket back further, thus holding more capacity in the bucket when digging into a pile.
3.) The "newer" style CK loader frame (the Model 32 loader) is bolted to the front sides of a heavy steel "wrap around" front nose structure that is an integral structural part of the "nose" of the tractor, utilizing the tractor's front structure for part of the loader's structural integrity. You will also note that the loader's side frames run on a DIAGONAL from the upper part of the front of the tractor, to the lower front of the rear axle.
4.) Gone was the old Case "eyebrow" headlight design, in lieu of the new heavy steel wrap-around piece that allowed for the loader frame to be bolted up to it.
5.) On the hoe, you'll notice the swing cylinders are mounted down low near the ground below the hoe's main frame, and near the lower boom swing pivot point.


[b:6a30a426a4]Below is a 530CK with a Model 32 "hydra-leveling" loader.[/b:6a30a426a4]




[b:6a30a426a4]As you can see, there are actually a LOT of differences between an earlier Ag tractor based 530 T/L/B and a 530CK.
The basic tractor design, the loader design, and the hoe designs were all quite different.[/b:6a30a426a4]

(Unfortunately, I was unable to find some good backhoe pictures to post at this time. Perhaps if I find some, I will add them to this posting.)

[b:6a30a426a4][u:6a30a426a4]530CK transmission options[/u:6a30a426a4]:[/b:6a30a426a4] There were [b:6a30a426a4]3[/b:6a30a426a4] different transmission types offered in a 530CK.

[b:6a30a426a4]Option #1: [/b:6a30a426a4]
Transmission: Dual Range Shuttle

Type: mechanical shuttle

Gears: 8 forward and reverse

Comments: Four speeds plus reverse with two ranges (low/direct) and a shuttle lever. Torque converter was optional. Torque converter can be locked out by engaging direct-drive mode To engage direct-drive the lever is pushed down. The torque converter will be automatically re-engaged when the clutch is pressed, or can be re-engaged by moving the direct-drive lever up.

[b:6a30a426a4]Option #2:[/b:6a30a426a4]

Transmission: Case Tripl-Range

Gears: 12 forward and 3 reverse

Comments: Four speeds, plus reverse, in three ranges (low/direct/high).

[b:6a30a426a4]Option#3:[/b:6a30a426a4]

Transmission: Standard torque converter/direct drive, NO shuttle.

Gears: 4 forward and 1 reverse

Comments: Four speeds plus reverse. Torque converter was optional and could be locked out by engaging direct-drive mode.


The 530CK was the first of a "revolutionary" change in true T/L/B design, that is still the basis of every Case backoe built today.

Another thing about T/L/B's to keep in the back of your mind is the fact that many things get changed over the years, especially when the machines were used daily as construction machines and also when they were much older and worn out and owners without deep pockets were looking for the cheapest and/or easiest way out to repair their old worn out machine. Hoes and loaders get swapped around when possible/practical, engines get swapped, etc. From what I've seen over the years, the HOES tend to be changed on the machines more than anything. Typically, if a loader and hoe model are the same on the machine, then it is likely an "unmolested" machine. However, that is not always the case.

Regardless, be sure to always pay attention to the model & serial number tags on your loader, hoe, AND tractor. Yes, even on the later CK's.
Tag ID's are very important on equipment, especially the old Case's.

Andy

Hi Andy, WOW what can I say great post on the Differences... on the tractors

I'm trying to keep from winching- pulling the tractor on to the trailer to get it home * been there - done that with a Stuck 1949 John Deere A*


Here's the Story I'm told the hoe start out life being owned by the railroad, then the guy I'm buying the hoe from his dad bought the hoe from the RR,then his Dad passed on and he got the hoe and he keep it for years.... then about 4 years ago he used the hoe one day and it ran fine when he used it/ shut it down... then 2 days later when he went to use it it would never start and run on diesel again.
He told me gave it a shot of starting fluid it would fire off but not stay running from that point he pulled it home with another tractor and it's set every scene !
I've known/worked with the guy for about 13 years and know a couple guys that heard the hoe run in the past.. I had discuss the hoe with him when it happened and had ask him about the hoe on several different occasions to which his response was always the same * naw it's just sit'n there I haven't done anything with it* he told me it needs brakes and the front end is a little loose on it..... but tranny/rear end wise it was ok

recently he fell on some hard times and offered it up to me... said he'd rather see someone get it and fix it back up to use it than see it go to the junkyard

I've always thought it was the IP... * thats why the pumps currently torn apart on the bench...are this wear marks a issue ?







I broke the j-clip anyone here got a extra one to sell me?



is this where the flex ring is suppost to be?

This information is helpful to me in identifying my tractor model that has no serial plate. I have what I think might be a 530 with a 31 loader. I bought it used 40 years ago and everything about it is great, except I can no longer get up to road speed in 8th gear. Starts and runs fine, gov works in all but 8th gear. I'm lacking power to go up even the slightest hills and can't get over 7 or 8 mph. Any ideas?

I will add my Case to the questions. I have a 1962 Case 530 (serial # 8197411, which puts it in the middle of 1962. However it only has one steering hydraulic cylinder, with a steering shaft that goes from steering wheel to the front of the tractor. So what model is it? It must not be a CK (Construction King). Someone told me it was just a normal farm Case with back-hoe & bucket.

Second question: what bucket & backhoe model do I have. My service manual says it is a "Model 530 Construction King Loader...expressly designed for installation on the Model 530 Construction King Diesel & Gasoline wheel tractors." But I don't have the "Hydra Leveling Cylinders" it shows...so what model do I have? (PS: hope my pictures upload)

I do know Case made a 510 tractor in 1959 and that it took a Case 31 loader. The 31 loader does not have a hyd cyl to level the bucket. I think that came out with the Case 32 loader.

Thanks for the reply. Looks like I have a model 31 Loader. I'll try to find any serial numbers. I have a picture, but I think it's for my backhoe, model 42, serial # 4869826.