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cyguy94

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Hi folks,

I am currently scanning some old 35mm slides for a friend with the ultimate goal of turning them into prints. My scanner sometimes struggles with the colors orange and red so I am curious if these images look color correct, particularly the Case equipment. I believe these photos were taken in the early 1950s out in eastern Washington. Also, any idea what models the equipment might be? Enjoy the pictures too! Thanks for any input you may have....

Jason
Britt, IA
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Great Photos,, I have never seen that late of that model pull-types before,, there was three models that looked alike at produced at this time "B" "H" and my data shows the model "P" was last sold in 1939 the first year of Flambeau paint, I am leaning towards a model "H" as they were the last of this design last sold in 1946 again according to the data I have. The self-propelled one is either a SP-9 or SP-12 as I can't see enough of it to be sure which one
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Very nice pics. I like the use of crawlers to pull the equipment. We don't see much of the here in the Midwest....Kenny :D
 
Is there any chance that they might be model V or V2 pull combines? That is the most common old case combine from that era that I see still sitting around out here.
 
Neat pictures, If they are from eastern washington I am thinking they must be west of me, land that flat I am thinking would be from the Washtucna, Lind, Ritzville, or Harrington areas just west of the Palouse, more of the great bend part of the state, thanks for posting the pics.
 
I do not find any lit on a "V/V2" machines in my stuff, production data does confirm they were sold at the time so it could be and would explain why I cannot find a exact match to this machine, the models I listed are all built almost like the ones above but the above ones are more up to date, fuel tank power plants ect, any chance you have or can snap some pics of them around you if any are left today to compare? I also cannot find anything in records on a "V2" not saying they were not made just not in what I have
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Sometimes I have pictures that look great on my phone or computer but look washed out when I post them on yesterday's tractors so you never know, but they look good as far as I can tell. The early years (decades) of case Flambeau was prone to fade very quickly as did the photographs from that era so these combines look pretty good considering.
 
Tom, I'll cast a vote for an SP-9. It almost...almost...looks to be a SP-12 due to the amount of header sticking out beyond the right tire. But....an SP-12 should have two sets of reel supports in the middle. Also, I'm thinking the drill spacing of the crop look pretty wide. Maybe 10 inch spacing? X ten rows makes the crop taken in 8.33 feet wide therefore, I vote it's 9 foot head on an SP-9.
 
I have a brochure on the model U dated 1941 which appears to be the galvanized precursor to the V2. I don't have anything on a model V so can't answer to that. I have two brochures on the V2. One dated 1948, one dated 1950.
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Great information, I really appreciate it! I have several more photos like this that I will post here in a little while, some didn't turn out as well as these but I'll post them up here anyway. The fellow that took the photos lived in Washington somewhere near Coulee Dam/Moses Lake I believe. He worked as a mechanic out there.

I'll get the other images ready to be posted and get them up here in a little bit. If you guys see any images you are interested in, just let me know and I will email them to you. I'm glad you like them and thanks for the color opinions!

Jason
 
Seems to me that I was told once that the V was a chain drive machine and the V2 was an improved machine that used V belts. V2 used an SE engine and the older V combine used a Waukesha like the RC tractor.
 
That is all I have. Sorry about the Allis-Chalmers stuff sneaking in there! Here is my email address:

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If you want copies of the digital images, I will gladly email them to you. I am making 4" x 6" prints for my friend, the digital images you see are scanned and cropped to the 4 x 6 size. These images would lose resolution if they were to be made into larger prints. Let me know if you want something else and I'll see what I can do. Enjoy!

Jason
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Thanks you so much for posting these. The shots of the service truck and bunk house or cook car sure tells the whole story.
At first I wondered why someone with three big header combines needed a little Self Propelled machine but as I looked at your additional photos it occurred to me that it would have been very handy to have at least one SP machine to open up the fields for the Pull-Type machines so as to not trample any grain with those crawler tractors as they would have to open the field with a back-cut otherwise. Also, in odd shaped fields, the SP could square up the corners for the PT combines and also cut down into the odd fingers and recesses along the draws, thereby leaving the PTs to just go round and round, taking a full cut in the main part of the field.
 
1st of all, I enjoyed the pix ,, especially of the work crew in their work clothes ,, the bunk house , kitchem?, and the services rig ,,. BUT YOU asked about color and I will give you my 2 cents.. as per the allis chalmers color showing more yellow than orange ,, I MHo the case colors could be a little more redder , you mite play with tinting the pix with red and I would think the allis qill look more Persian , and the cases will lokk more flambeau ,, and the bean crop and wheat straw would have more brass color to it instead of white ,,,and the mens faces will show tanning , and the grese afd grime on their clothes would look more like mine at the end of such a day ,,.,
 
Yes, thank you very much! I had some difficulty with the color of the crops but attributed that to clouds or sun or just the way the remnants were laying. I have an aerial view of these fields and it looks like there are different colors of yellow tan in the field after the crops were out. There are a few of the images that just look weird when it comes to color. I tried to squeeze all the color I could out of the men by their machine image. That was the best I could get. I figured that these were end of day photos when the sun was low and it kind of washed out the colors. That is good information on the machinery and I may try to tweak some of the images. You're saying that the tractors should be more orange and the Case should be a little more red. I'm going to try and see what happens, I tend to mess up other colors sometimes when I do this. Considering these slides are from the early 1950's, they scanned better than I expected. You had to be pretty good with a camera to get decent photos back then! Thank you for your suggestions/opinion.

Jason
 
Definitely an SP-9 or SP-12 simply because the 120/150 didn't have the operators platform enclosed behind tin-work on the drivers right side. And I have to agree it's an SP-12. With the additional photos he posted, I can see the back end has the long hood. The Sp-9 is a stubby machine length-wise. Also, in the first photo, the reel was spinning and hard to see, so with the additional pictures I realize its an aftermarket Hume reel or finger pickup reel. In fact, all the machines have this reel. That would explain the reason there's only one set of reel supports in the middle instead of two. Also explains why I said earlier that it sure "looks" like its twelve feet wide yet I had my own doubts with my 9 foot guess. That being said, in that first picture....just how wide IS the drill spacing of that crop? Only ten rows of wheat in a 12 foot head!

I also noticed that in some of these pictures the combines are running a chopper. The gent standing behind the spinning chopper is wise to have protective goggles on but I have to wonder why he feels the need to stand behind it in the first place?

The SP machine also has a rear view mirror and what looks to be air horns. So is that an air tank mounted diagonally to the outside of the operators platform or some other device? Maybe a fire extinguisher? I'd hate to start a stubble fire in that country.

These photos are great! I wished more people made the effort to record their farming back in the day. My mother frowned on using her camera outside when I was a kid. Film was expensive. She took lots of pictures of people during holidays but would never waste a shutter click on a tractor or combine in the field.
 
I see two different SPs,one with a straw chopper one without and different canopies on them.
Great pictures!
 
Standard deep furrow wheat spacing is 16 inches, some drills are 14 inch and some as wide as 18 and 20 inch. Only in 9-12 inch annual rainfall area.
 
Wow. 8-10 inch spacing is wide for a winter wheat hoe drill around here. Spring wheat drills are almost always 6". More rainfall yes, but any more space than that and your inviting weeds with not enough competition and shading. It certainly does explain the header width question.
 
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