Case DC vs JD 60 vs wd45

Dustyah

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I have a 1953 dc3 foot clutch, live pto, a 1954 wd 45 allis , neighbor has a 1954 JD 60, the case is on 13.6 -38 full of calcium, dual sets of weights, the allis is on 13.6-28 dual weights with calcium, the JD is on 13.6-38 with single weights and calcium, my neighbor the man with the Jd gives me hard time about the case and allis, I have recently posted this on allis forum and got some great hits, just looking for good arguments with him and his 60,:)
In regards to him out plowing and disking both of my tractors.
 
It was already determined the WD45 could only compete long
as it used a mounted AC plow. Plus you need to use a 400
for fair comparison and then the Case comes out the winner.
Honestly I'm not an AC fan so I would take almost anything
over the 4
 
Instead of setting around the potbelly stove debateing the virtues of the three tractors, hook them on a plow and dicc and prove which one is best. the WD45 is already at a disadvantage with 28" tires, and limited gear speeds, so I would leave that one in the barn. The JD should have an advantage with more gears to select from, but DCs were strong runners. As stated a Case 400 is of the same vintage as the 60, for a fair competion.
Loren
 
If your DC is from 1953, it is a fair comparison. The JD 60 was introduced in 1952, so would have been marketed against your DC.
 
You need to study your implements,your tractor rear tires and do a compression test to do as good or better then him. Are the plow lays shinny? You should be able to see yourself in them. If they are rusty it takes a lot more horsepower. Are you both plowing the same depth? Get a case or oliver plow. Are you both pulling 14 or 16 inch plows? Is the disc angle the same on both disc? Depth the same? Do you have good tires on the dc? Last have you done a compression test to the dc? If the DC is running good with good tires and a knowledgeable operator you will come out ahead. Dc's are hard to beat. Just my past experiences.
 
Here are some specs

GEAR SPEEDS DC 2.5, 3.5 5.0 JD60 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 6.2 WD45 2.5, 3.7, 5.0

OFFICIAL NEBRASKA TEST DHP DC 34.08 JD60 36.94 WD45 40.01

SHIPPING WEIGHT DC 5300 JD60 5297 WD45 4465 Obviously, the DC and the JD60 far outweigh the WD45--especially with fluid in the tires.

Assuming 3-14 trailing plows, who gets to decide the plowing depth? If I am the JD60 guy, I am going to go with 4.5 mph and put the plow in the ground just deep enough to fully load my engine. The other two guys cannot run 5 MPH so they are forced to run 3.5 and 3.7 MPH. I WIN!!!!

If I am the DC guy, I am going to choose 5mph and set my plow to fully load my engine. The JD60 has to choose 4.5 mph. The WD45 can choose 5 mph but is too light to pull a trailing plow because of serious tire slippage. I WIN!!!

If I am the WD45 guy, I am going to insist that I get to add weight to match. Then I am going to choose 5 mph and a depth to fully load my engine. The DC guy is forced to run 3.5 mph, due to less hp, and the JD60 guy 4.5 mph. If I have added equal weight to both rear wheels of my Allis, me and the JD60 guy run neck and neck because I have more land wheel slippage than the JD60. The DC gets left in the dust running 3.5 mph.

If I am the WD45 guy and I get to put my matching weight where I want it and choose the plowing depth, I am going to put 60% of the added weight on the land wheel and choose 5 mph. Bye bye DC running at 3.5 mph and JD60 running at 4.5 mph.

Your 53 DC might have oversize aluminum pistons and the head might be high compression A5505A. The Aluminum pistons will allow you to increase your engine speed from 1200 to 1400rpm. Choose 2nd gear which at 1400 rpm is now 4.1 mph. Plow deep enough to use the DCs power. Now you WIN big time because the JD60 may have to run 2.5 mph and the WD45 cannot pull the plow due to slippage.

My brother had a DC with 4" Aluminum pistons and he ran it about 1400 rpm for years. He tried out a JD60. NO WAY could it match his DC either plowing or disking.

My neighbor for years had an M Farmall and a JD60. The M did the plowing and disking and the JD did the planting and cultivating. I do not know what pistons the M had.
 
I've heard that JD plows are harder to pull then most other brands. If that's true, then make sure he pulls JD plows.
 
they are all good tractors ,, the wd will need a bunch of weight on the wheels to proove its worth , and a good allis man to adjust the hydraulics to get ultimate pulling and draft work ,. the deere is ok ,, but the DC will put them all to shame and come out the true winner
 
Just make the jd plow all day. Anything they gain with more hp will be lost from having to run home for
gas more often.
 
Your friend with the 60 JD shouldn't try to pick on WD45s and gnarly old DCs. He should step down to WDs and H Farmalls, lol.
 
I have a '51 DC with 4" aluminum pistons, 5505 head, and Marval Shebler carburetor. I pull 3-14's
in second gear. I have one weight on each side and 13.6 Titan tires. Eventually I will pull up
behind a 60 JD and have to throttle back. My old DC delivers almost 51 HP on a dino. I run second
gear wide open all day long from 10:00 to 4:30 on one tank of fuel.
 
I always like how everyone's tractor is always souped against the 60 and then brag about out plowing a 60 or another JD.
 


GE, why do you feel his DC is souped up, In 1953 all DCs were 4" aluminum and the Marvel carb is listed in the stock DC parts book. The DC is a 4 cyl. 5.5 Stroke and has massive amounts of low speed torque.
The 4" overbore sleeve and piston kit was compatible with all DC engine blocks and was a natural upgrade.

You may have your preference as we all do but you would do well not to underestimate a good running DC.

Back in the 60s- early 70s my brother and myself won 2 Pa state invitationals with a 39 DC.

In the area where we are a stock 2 cylinders do not do well, but with much money and work can be made to run well. I have a friend with a G that has won at Tunica Ms. But it is far from stock. However, My grandaughters fiance has a stemwinder B that will not spin the tires in low at 4000 lbs and is in very good condition paint and engine wise.
 
So would a Super M be fair to rate them against as well, just curious, 3 plow tractor in 53,54, or a 77 oliver
 
We ran a 60 for years and I lightly ran a farmall m and h, I never ran the allis stuff much. I always felt that the 60 sure pulled good, and lugged way way way better than the farmalls, but as far as going out for a day and pulling the guts out of it for a day, it is always stated in our community that in a days time, the farmall would plow about 1/4 acre more in a day than a jd 60 or "A"would, but when harvest came the beet and potato equipment was more productive on a jd, presumably from better steering and better braking control, being able to clutch and brake all at he same time, and then cultivating was almost always done with the old jd poppers.
 

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