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Case Nutty 1660

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Good friend sent this to me,,, fit right in with the vid
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Really liked the video, I remember my dad talking about the Arizona show and mom and dad both went to Nassau. In some of our old photo albums there are pictures they took from them.
 
I watched that video last night. I wonder if they brought all that equipment back after that show was over. I do have 2 Case 444 tractors now but I've never had anything to do with one of the larger Case tractors. my son in Wi does have an 830 with Case O Matic. My grandson likes to take it to the local tractor pulls.I check this forum mostly to look at all the pictures. When I finally get started on the 444s I will probably have questions. I got most of my attachments from Loren. My wife even sat through the one about the Case Steam Engines.
 
Tom just watching the video would really help a farmer get excited about owning a Case O Matic tractor. And it must have because of all the early orders. But the COM farm tractors did not become to popular, do you know why? In the industrial tractors I think COM helped CASE become the #1 backhoe tractor but for some reason interest died on the farm tractors, Rod.
 
Rod,
I think the biggest reason for lack of popularity of COM in the ag comunity was because dealers didn't know how to show customers/owners how to operate the tractors correctly.
As you know farmers are a stuborn breed and resist change. When COM was introduced many were still saying "WOW every time they dumped the clutch. HeHe They were used to having the rpms up to prevent stalling, and yes it was a bit inconvenient to throttle back if the operator was easing thru a crop with a pto machine. Backing up to hook to equipment was another obstical for an operator, if not properly tought how to operate the tractor. If dealers had shown these farmers how to operate in these conditions the acceptance would have been much better. The farmers who understood COM didn't do a good job of educating hired help etc about usage either.
Of course all the competition called it a Slip-0-Matic and telling farmers that it worked like a slipping clutch and would never last.
The construction industry had very diff needs. A friction clutch was the downfall of any type of loader or dozer. Construction operators imediatly saw the advantages of converter drive for their tasks. A big diff there was that they were working in confined areas with a lot of shuttling back and forth and no need for a pto, which is a big factor.
Loren
 
Rod,

Loren is 100% correct in his analysis. But, I'll go even further. When Case-o-matic was introduced in the 400 B there was a faulty seal installed in the 1st units sent out to dealers. Case rushed mechanics out to fix this problem but word got out and the competitors took advantage. We can all agree that COM requires a bit of learned behavior to drive correctly. We ignore the fact that many people are lazy and want to be able to just jump on a machine and go. Another point to remember is that COM required a different kind of oil. These days that seems like a no-brainer, but dealers have recalled COM units coming in with motor oil (even suspected used motor oil) for repair. In my interviews with old Case dealers I always ask about COM. About 50% loved it and about 50% came to hate it. That doesn't bode well for a products future. In fact when people came to trade in a COM tractor many Case dealers didn't want them back. When our family bought a new 1070 we had an 830 COM to trade in. The 830 was in like new condition and only 10 years old at the time. 3 out of 4 Case dealers did not want it in trade. By that time Powershift was making COM seem like antiquated technology and the COM reputation was firmly established in the farming community (deserved or not).

I always remember an old Case dealer from central Indiana who said, "They designed COM backwards". When I asked him what he meant he said that you should have had the ability to shift into COM drive and had direct drive as the default. That way hooking up to implements would have been the same as with all other tractors at the time. Makes some sense. In business it is risky to put out a product that is significantly different from the competition. You need to have exceptional skill, resources and some luck to succeed On the industrial side Case made it happen. On the ag side it wasn't meant to be. Sorry for the long-winded response. Don
 
I don't think any dealer could instruct any customer how to feed a big wad of hay into a square baler with the tractor at 2/3's throttle even with the brakes applied without it jumping and taking the whole wad at once. BTW,We have baled many thousands of bales with an 830 dsl. com. They should have kept the feathering valve like the 59 800's had. Evidently Case pushed com pretty hard as there are many 800's but few 700's. Com was good for some tasks and not so good for others.
 

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