case 530 grinding starter

JohnMoore

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Help,I just inherited a case 530 tractor that did not run,it did run last spring. had the starter rebuild because it was grinding and would not turn over, got it back today put it all together, and it is still grinding, I took a flat bar and the flywheel does turn over, teeth look fine, any ideas??
 
I don't get it, it is the same starter that has been on it...my uncle used this tractor last year. I helped him with fuel filter. He parked it and covered it with tarp, he passed away about 8 months later and here we are :D ...any other ideas, please??
 
John,If that is the starter that has been on it and was working before,check the bendix drive for moving in and out and ratcheting of the drive if it has that type of drive,and the teeth on the drive.
 
(quoted from post at 12:16:04 05/09/15) John,If that is the starter that has been on it and was working before,check the bendix drive for moving in and out and ratcheting of the drive if it has that type of drive,and the teeth on the drive.
Thank you for responding, I took it off and engaged it with jumper cables before, all was good, but someone suggested that it needed rebuilt, just to have new parts installed and cleaned up, so I just got it back from the shop that rebuilt it(they specialize in farm and industrial starters) and its sounding as it did before...I'm lost
 
Just noticed the shaft the Bendix drive slides on also slides, while engaging the starter I noticed the gear only moved up about eighth inch but I can move it and the shaft another eighth or so by hand, that may be the problem, as if they failed to replace a washer to the seat of the shaft before reassembly..I will take it back Tuesday..i will keep u posted
 

What does the ring gear on the flywheel look like. If a starter starts to grind on the ring gear, that same spot will stop in the same place when you shut off the tractor. Or you may end up with two or three spots like that on the ring gear. Your uncle probably knew that and would keep trying it until the drive would finally catch. You may have to split the tractor and flip the ring gear over.
 
O no, that may be true, I turned the flywheel by hand all the way around, two areas I seen had some teeth that had some wear on the facing side, approx 4-6 teeth each spot.
How hard to split the tractor? Couple jacks, concrete blocks and big wrench??
 
that's what I think too , there are 3 different gears according to my starter man ,. my 430 came here with wrong starter drive ,, it would start ,, but sounded like a buket of bolts being roled ... were you there to see how uncles starter workt? ,, perhaps he had it repaired with wrong drive ,,. strangr things have happened
 
(quoted from post at 04:11:14 05/10/15) O no, that may be true, I turned the flywheel by hand all the way around, two areas I seen had some teeth that had some wear on the facing side, approx 4-6 teeth each spot.
How hard to split the tractor? Couple jacks, concrete blocks and big wrench??

Better look it up in a repair manual before you take on the job.

Try this first to see what happens. Take the starter out, then manually move the flywheel a little, so a clean spot on the ring gear shows up. Then put the starter back on and give it a try. If it starts without grinding you'll know the problem is with the ring gear.
 
I looked up some ring gears that had to be replaced....wow...mine doesn't look anything like those, not worn to bad at all in comparison....I will take starter back to be adjusted for that shaft movement and manually turn flywheel to a smooth area and put starter in and see how it goes
 
(quoted from post at 16:16:43 05/10/15) I looked up some ring gears that had to be replaced....wow...mine doesn't look anything like those, not worn to bad at all in comparison....I will take starter back to be adjusted for that shaft movement and manually turn flywheel to a smooth area and put starter in and see how it goes

Here's a little trick that will get you by until you can split the tractor. If it turns out that the starter will engage on a clean spot on the ring gear, you can turn the engine manually to a clean spot before you engage the starter. I had a 400 that had a bad drive ,but it didn't get changed until it ruined several spots on the ring gear. This happened before I bought the tractor. Anyway, after I fixed the starter drive, I would turn the engine backwards a little by pushing on the fan. Of course you will have to have the belt really tight in order to do this. That action would line up a clean area of the ring gear to the starter drive. Then you can start the tractor using the starter. There are two reasons to turn the engine backwards. One being that when an engine stops it will most likely stop with one piston on the compression stroke. Moving against the compression with the fan will not move the flywheel far enough, so moving it backwards will give you more movement. The other thing would be in case you had the ignition switch on, and the engine actually started when you turned it over via the fan. This probably won't happen, but why take the chance? Remember, this is only to get you by until you can do a correct fix of the problem. Don't rely on it forever.
 
John,Maybe the drive dosen;t go out far enough to engauge the teeth into the ring gear on the flywheel.The drive should kick all the way out to the nose bushing with just a small amount clearance when the solenoid is kicked in.The fork may need to be adjusted so the drive moves out all the way.It can be checked on the bench by connecting jumpers one to ground and positive cable to the S terminal of the solenoid.Some forks can be adjusted through a plug behind the solenoid some have to be bent to get full travel.Tell this to the starter shop guy.It must also have some spacer washers left out to have that excess amount of end play.
 
Update---they shimmed the shaft so it doesn't move, Bendix engaged once and turned engine over..yay...but started grinding again on subsequent tries. Bench tested it and Bendix sometimes doesn't go out far enough and others it doesn't retract back in...I'm frustrated and just ordered a new rebuilt one...and will not travel the 30 miles one way back to the shop for more shoddy workmanship.
 
Update---they shimmed the shaft so it doesn't move, Bendix engaged once and turned engine over..yay...but started grinding again on subsequent tries. Bench tested it and Bendix sometimes doesn't go out far enough and others it doesn't retract back in...I'm frustrated and just ordered a new rebuilt one...and will not travel the 30 miles one way back to the shop for more shoddy workmanship.
 
New starter on, had to move flywheel just a bump...turns over great. Waiting on a oil pan, and oil filter mount bracket gasket to reassemble and fill with good oil, new plugs,wires,etc on...I'm anxious to hear her run...FYI..John Saeli has all hard to find and obsolete parts at great prices..met him on this forum.
 
Do you mean you have to move the flywheel a little to a clean spot on the ring gear? Maybe now would be a good time to split the tractor and flip the ring gear over.
 
not a clean spot on ring gear, just to get teeth to align with starting gear.
slow to turn over, finally started messing with clutch and levers. transmission was in neutral and pto disengaged, but the lever on right side was forward, i moved it back and forth, found a niche in the center and she turns over great, fires but wont run unless u hold the starter button down.
 

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