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I have noticed that a lot of the recent Case restorations posted on
the forum use a paint that must be called "Flambeau Red" but it is
much "redder" that the original case paint which was really a much
yellower shade of orange. Just look at Case Nutty's original stuff and
you can really see the difference.

These guys go to a lot of work restoring those machines and do a
beautiful job! I just hate to see them get the color wrong. Am I just
too fussy?
 
Ted

It bothers me as well.

I can think of several explanations. First, not all that many people know what the original Flambeau Red really looked like. It is a long time since the last Flambeau Red tractor left the factory

Second, anything close to the the original paint is hard to find, at least here in Australia. The 'Case dealers' here are almost all originally IH dealers. They stock and seem to like to sell 'Power Red'. Some paint dealers will try to mix the right colour, but it is fairly much a hit and miss process. I have thought about trying to import some, but that is a really difficult process.
 
Attached is a photo of the inside of a case 480CK that shows the original color. This was the first time the top had been removed since 1970.
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I think many suppliers are getting the readily available, darker "CASE Power Red" confused w/ the "Flambeau". We carry "Flambeau", but CASE does not produce it anymore.
 
I prefer Power Red over Flambeau on my two-tone tractors. They look sharper to me, and anything newer than 1969 would have been painted Power Red anyways, so my 30 series and 70 series match and look the same.
Loren
 
It's entirely possible your monitors colors are less than accurate compared to the real world color. I posted a picture on another site and you'd swear my truck was light green rather than brownish gold. Cameras or monitors can change colors.
 
maybe ,,but I have noticed too ... personally I prefer the redder color more than the old orange,seems like the norm anymore ,... to the point when I ask someone about their orange case they tell me that is what the original case color recipe is ,I think to myself ,it is TOO ORANGE , but imho case was always orange ,
 
I don't know, you go to a tractor show and all the painted Case flambeau tractors look all real close in color. I'm sure they shine better than when new but then again most of us didn't see the tractors when new from the factory.
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(quoted from post at 03:42:39 07/18/14) Attached is a photo of the inside of a case 480CK that shows the original color. This was the first time the top had been removed since 1970.
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That's not flambeau or power red but a paint used to keep the castings from rusting that is extremely oil resistant.
 
I am going to be painting my DC-4 haven't checked on paint yet but does anyone have a paint code for the right color in PPG or maybe Dupont?
 
When I painted my 52 D, I used DuPont Imron 2000. I do not remember the numbers but it was called Kenworth??, but it crossed over to be the same as "Flamebeau Red". Looks just like the ones that are not restored yet, only brighter, like new finish.
 
My VAO paint was matched to inside of the front wheel. I have folks tell it is wrong and some tell it is right. The color matches the red in the decals. I like the red over the orange. It is not called Flambeau Orange. Steve
 
I don't see how you can tell from a picture. When I look at pictures of my own tractors at shows depending on sun shine,clouds or time of day the color looks different.
 
That looks pretty close to the correct color to me. But as others point out my monitor may be off. Good looking tractor, yours looks good to me but others seem redder???
 
This may get me lynched, but as a kid I always thought the Case and Allis Chambers colors were close, Maybe my eyes are screwed up?
 
Using a gloss paint tends to darken a color, and the surface of oxidized paint is lighter than the actual color. That being said, the original alkyd paint would have been a semi-gloss from the factory, and would have soon oxidized to a matte. A farmer would have needed to wax his tractor to make it gloss, and I doubt many farmers did that.
I just tinted the paint for my SC to exactly match an un-faded sample of the original color, and it has a LOT of red in it. It is definitely on the red-side of orange, but is bright, without much tint. After it dries, it seems yellower than the ratio of pigment would indicate (I started with a slightly red-orange and then added red and yellow pigment at a ratio of about 10:1, respectively). It is definetly flambeau red, not flambeau yellow.
 
I will agree with you Christopher. Flambeau is more red (flame red) than Power Red which is softer and more of an orange/yellow tint to it.

Did any of you folks catch the recent Classic Tractor Fever on RFDTV when they devoted the whole episode to Case collections? Those tractors were beautiful in their Flambeau Red paint. There wasn't an orange one in the bunch!

Best way to tell the difference for those of you who are color
blind, next time you go to a tractor show and see 15 different repainted SCs, DCs, LAs and VACs all lined up together, look em over and you'll be able to tell Flambeau from Power Red a mile off. They are no where close to being the same color. But I think most people don't remember how vibrant the original paint looked back in the 40s, 50s and 60s because the paints faded within the first year or two back then so what most people remember and are used to seeing is the faded shade of Flambeau which is more the Power Red look.

But cheer up folks. They both look good and just be glad it isn't an IH tractor we're discussing or we'd have to talk about how the red turns into all different shades of pink or purple when it sits in the sun!
 
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