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Re: Case plans before merger

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bermuda ken

03-18-2013 06:26:32
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CASE had the 96 series row crops in the works. These had a 24 spd powershift transmission (94 series carryover) 8.3 litre CDC engine and all new 2-door cab.

These were shelved when the IH MAGNUM plans and running prototpyes were shown to Management & Engineering.




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Jgarner

03-18-2013 06:46:43
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to bermuda ken, 03-18-2013 06:26:32  
So what you are saying here is that Case ag equipment really went away at the purchase and IH was just rebranded. Is this more or less correct? I guess then true Case tractors are now all construction equipment.

Jim



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Ande

03-19-2013 05:59:10
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Jgarner, 03-18-2013 06:46:43  
If I'm not mistaken,they had a colored Case Eagle in the steering wheel,that kinda says who was in charge.
Although around our way,there wasnt many Case people on the territory,as IHC had several.IHC had a full line,and Case had been stripped down to what they called the "Tractor Specialist's".
Jim Kettleson who was in charge of Tenneco,had a special love for Case,as he worked there in his early days,and I was told by Jim and saw it in pictures,he had a Case Eagle in his Houston office

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Adirondack case guy

03-18-2013 12:00:19
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Jgarner, 03-18-2013 06:46:43  
No not so quick. Case/Cummins "Consolidated Diesel Co." supplied the engines. The IH designed Magnum as it would be named after the merger was from the engine back, but there was strong influance from Case engineering with such items as the front axle, hood, side console controls, and revamping of the basic IH cab. The Magnums looked like a Case tractor, rather than an IH.
It would have been interesting to see how Case would have fared with the CDC engines and RPS64 tranny. Case would have had to beef up the RPS64 to obtain the reliability that was built into the Magnum trans and rearend, by IH. Case had already aquired Steiger, prior to IH and was experimenting with the CDC engines in the David Browns.
Loren

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GreenEnvy

03-18-2013 17:46:50
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Adirondack case guy, 03-18-2013 12:00:19  

You sure about the cab? There are a few 88 series experimental tractors with Magnum style cabs.



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Rich10e

03-18-2013 14:55:56
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Adirondack case guy, 03-18-2013 12:00:19  
Whatever they did they made a very good tractor with that Magnum



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Jgarner

03-18-2013 15:43:36
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Rich10e, 03-18-2013 14:55:56  
Thanks Loren and Rich, glad to have so many of you all on this forum with an inside look at the process as it was. I have learned so much about the history of Case I never knew before. Glad Case wasn't totally taken over by IH management. Both companies made some good equipment but I am just partial to Case.

Jim



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bermuda ken

03-18-2013 21:12:11
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Jgarner, 03-18-2013 15:43:36  
CASE management was firmly incharge in almost every facet of the new company. The story of 57? IH vice presidents being brought on is TOTAL LIES. I don't believe IH had 57 vice presdents in their entire history.

The CASE management team made some good and some bad decisions, but they had to live with thier outcome. Looking back, the merger COULD HAVE been much more sucessful, but personal EGO and vendetta played a role in many behind the scenes activities. Only recently have some of them been revealed.

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casepower970

03-18-2013 08:35:49
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Jgarner, 03-18-2013 06:46:43  
I remember reading almost 90% of the magnum was IH Only case things I can think of inherited in the magnums is the intelligence center, and the silent guardian cab.
This post was edited by casepower970 at 08:36:30 03/18/13.



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Kevin B from Illinois

03-18-2013 14:30:01
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to casepower970, 03-18-2013 08:35:49  
970 what you have read is pretty much true case had fell so far behind in engineering of tractors and equipment along the way and there will be a new book coming out this summer by and I can't remember his name off hand that will clear this up if check on the IH site you can get a better understanding about this Loren is very good on this subject but there a some that just can't let it go to IH.

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jon f mn

03-18-2013 11:42:11
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to casepower970, 03-18-2013 08:35:49  
Didn't this conversation take place last week?



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Agri King

03-18-2013 11:02:17
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to casepower970, 03-18-2013 08:35:49  
970 don't believe everything you read in those IH sob story books.



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pete 23

03-18-2013 16:50:52
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 Re: Case plans before merger in reply to Agri King, 03-18-2013 11:02:17  
Now that wasn't nice.



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