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Re: rant, its not a cummins engine !

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ss55

02-22-2013 21:27:24
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Is this discussion is about the B-Series 3, 4 and 6 cylinder engines that are used in Dodge pickups, Case-IH equipment and now Case-New Holland tractors and equipment? If so, does anyone know if the engine was designed before or after the CDC joint venture was announced, and does anyone know who designed the engine?

The reason I ask is, in 1981 I worked for the company that designed and built the assembly line for that engine. The CDC name was on all the engine part drawings, and the CDC name also went on all the machine and tooling drawings we created. However, the assembly process engineers we worked with from CDC were all long time Cummins employees, none of the engineers we worked with were originally from J.I. Case or Tenneco. The assembly line went to the CDC Rocky Mountain plant in Whitaker, NC.

At the time I was under the impression that:
a. The engine was designed by Cummins engineers at another Cummins location (in Indiana?);
b. that Cummins operated the CDC plant;
and c. that J.I. Case contributed some of the capital and agreed to purchase some of the engines produced. That was my impression.

For the best sales and marketing advantage, the Cummins brand would have a lot better name recognition and reputation than either the new CDC name or the J.I. Case name. The White dealers likey preferred to call the CDC engines in some of their tractors "Cummins" engines rather than call them "Case" engines because Case was a direct competitor.

The B-Series engines may well be Case engines, but if they sell more units by by calling them "Cummins", it's in all the partner's best interest to call them "Cummins".

Did Cummins actually complete the planned 2008 buy out CNH 50% stake in CDC?

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pete 23

02-23-2013 14:47:30
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 Re: rant, its not a cummins engine ! in reply to ss55, 02-22-2013 21:27:24  
That is interesting that Cummins appeared to be the sole designer. The Case reps in Racine sure put out a different story. That being said, the next thing is that when you mention Cummins, every one is thinking of the larger Cummins that used the PT injection system. That is a whole and totally different style of engine so that was another subject of discussion. The CDC engine is more conventional in the fuel injection side being much the same as any Case, IH or Deere up until every one went with the common rail electronic controlled beasts we have seen in the last 15 years or so.

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ss55

02-23-2013 20:20:31
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 Re: rant, its not a cummins engine ! in reply to pete 23, 02-23-2013 14:47:30  
I can't say that Cummins was the sole designer of the CDC engine, it was my impression that Cummins was the primary designer of the engine. Case may have shared engine technology, contributed to the requirements specifications and probably sent Case engineers to be on the engine design team. I was involved in the assembly line equipment for CDC and I didn't meet anyone from Case at that time, only people from Cummins and former Cummins employees working for CDC.

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wilson ind

02-23-2013 07:20:41
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 Re: rant, its not a cummins engine ! in reply to ss55, 02-22-2013 21:27:24  
Been to north Carolina and most all southern stated, however had to go west to see the Rocky mtns.



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02-23-2013 19:04:26
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 Re: rant, its not a cummins engine ! in reply to wilson ind, 02-23-2013 07:20:41  
Sorry, that should have been Rocky Mount, NC.



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