Toy Show - Long Post

Straw Boss

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I went to the same toy show yesterday as 1370rod.
Lots to see, lots of people, lots of high prices.
The toy industry must be recovering. Everyone wants top dollar for everything. One dealer told me the Case 67-69 30 series paper is in high demand. He said five years ago they couldn't give them away. There was a Vindex cast iron plow for $1200. About what I expected so must be late model stuff going up in price.

Saw a new Spec Cast Case DC with a loader. Prices ranged anywhere from $60 - $90 for what would have been a 35 dollar toy not to many years ago. And what a disappointment!!! For the money this thing is not even a highly detailed precision OR has the correct color on the loader. It should be green. AND the tractor is painted Allis Chalmers orange, not Flambeau Red. Repeat...IT'S PAINTED ALLIS CHALMERS ORANGE!!!
Now that Spec Cast has sold out to the foreigners, looks like quality and historical accuracy have gone out the window.

Now my rant.
It seems every piece of John Deere or IH equipment ever made has been recreated in precision models to the point they are making short line pull type sprayers and sugar cane harvesters to come up with something new and you CANNOT tell me there's a big demand for sugar cane harvesters in an expensive precision model.

They have made combines, pickers, manure spreaders, front mounted cultivators, corn planters etc, etc for the other brands. Meanwhile I'm STILL WAITING for a Case precision 6 bottom plow or a disk to put on the shelf behind my precision 930 and 1030 tractor. Its not like I want them to make us a chisel/planter with seed and fertilizer boxes and with drop tubes and chain drives on everything even though they would do it for the green and red guys. Whats the problem? Is it so much to ask for?

Ertl keeps regurgitating the "half hearted attempt at detail" 70 series to the point of sickness while Spec Cast has done the same with the model D.
They all look to be variations of just two tractor styles. Not every collector wants twentyfour different variations of 2 tractors. Then the toy companies say Case toys just don't sell and they blame us Case collectors for low sale numbers.

I say they just don't make many Case toys people want. Example, after the Model D, Spec Cast came out with a 2 bottom plow. Why wasn't it a 3 bottom plow? A 2 bottom plow belongs on a VAC or an SC, not a DC.

Here's my list of Case tractors I'd like to see in the Ertl precision and quality of the 930/1030.
Many of these they could double up with very little changes and make two or more models with one casting.

Racine 400. Very popular with many people. Could be done in multiple variations and matching implements. I think they could sell the sh!t out of them.

Racine 500 and 600 diesel. Other than change the radiator tank casting, color and tire size would be easy.

Late model 730/830 with a few implements.
Again, Standard, Rowcrop, Wheatland, Orchard and High Crop versions could be made with the same castings. Just change out the axles, fenders and tire sizes.

The cross motors have never been done in precision. An 18-32 would be the most common on the farm for collectors to want on the shelf and it could be done again as a 15-27 in green and black with only one change on the rediator tank. But I would buy a 12-25, 20-40 or 10-20 tricycle in a heartbeat.

The model L in a precision is not the most exciting but again an icon in Case history and a tractor many people still have in their collection or inherited from Grandad and have it in the shed. Two version could be made with an early model on steel and a late model on rubber. A quality precision Grand Detour plow to go with it would be nice or eventually a threshing machine. I know some of you guys would take it farther and put a cab and snow plow on it or make an LI roadgrader out of one.

For the toy company, the model C may be a better choice as many models could be produced with the same casting. C, CC, CH, CO, CI, etc. Some on steel. Some on rubber. Many popular implements were available for these tractors back in the day from tillage to hay tools and harvesting machines. Ertl should be able to come up with something to compliment the toy.

I like the 930/1030 so I'd like to see Ertl re-issue them but flip-flop the versions.
I'd like to have a 930 western and I'd like a 1030 rowcrop with a factory cab. I think it would cost Ertl very little to do this for us and I think they would sell. I think they got it wrong in the first place as 95% of all 930s from 60-69 were wheatlands and most 1030s were rowcrops and many of the rowcrops had the factory cabs.

For reasons of simple popularity, an 800 C-O-M would be desirable but I'd also like a 900B or an early long nose 930. Both could be made with one casting.

I've been told in the past the Case toys just don't sell. 930/1030s were as low as 60 bucks five years ago but you can't find them for less than 150 now. Some were auctioned for nearly 200. Is the market ready for more Case precisions? I think so. What would you guys like to see made in a precision? I haven't even mentioned a hundred years worth of combines or balers or ....
 
I agree on most things, Rod. However, I would like to see one more D, one with Eagle hitch. I definitely would like a C as I have my grandfather's which he bought in 1930. I'm sure Case Nutty would like to see some combines.
 
I am not a serious toy collector but just watching a few select CASE toys it seemed like they got handled a lot, and prices are on the rise for 70 series and older. To me the 90 and 94 stuff is flat. I think a limited build in combines, old 4 wheelers and misc implements would sell fast.
 
As a Case fan and toy collector I feel your pain. I spoke with a representative of the Spect-Cast company at Dyersville. I asked him if there were any new Case toys in the works. He informed me there was not. I gave him my suggestions anyway. I would like to see an LA. From that casting you could make many variations such as a 500 and 600.
 
Would like to see a precision big 400. Have the plastic versions and a casting to make up one but a precision would be nice. Would add the LA and 630 and 730/830 precisions or high detail at least. I think its the IH management in charge of Case now as they would like to see the Case name go away. Can still hope.
 
You talking about some like these Case 1/16ths.
I too was flustrated with not having some models that I wanted, so I made my own. I have many more not picured here also. Sorry about the dust,
Loren
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Was in Runnings the other day and saw that they had a few Case-IH and IH pieces. But they had a whole aisle of green JD, both sides. Don't think they will have to restock green before next Christmas they have so much. Titan use to carry some Case, but no one is making any now so they don't have any either.
 
Nice rant! Case people seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to toys for sure. CaseIH had the perfect opportunity to release a 50 year anniversary edition of the big 400 but blew it, of course. I"d like to see a decent big 400 and 430/530, or anything else Case. Don
 
Brad,I"m right with you on this,we havent seen any combines,and would love too have one,to bad they couldn't have a signup for these things and yes a down payment,maybe we would get one then,but they sure build them for the others
 
This year Ertl is actually coming out with a J.I. Case precision 1570. It will be the second tractor in the Elite Series, which has working headlights and precision detail to it. it will be coming out in June if shipments arrive on time. The chase unit will be a spirit of 76. price right now for them will be between the 150 and 200 dollar mark for the white 1750, the chase spirit will be pushing $300.
As for the DC with the loader from spec cast, it is only two years, there are two versions the pork expo which was released first and the shelf model which was released second, when first released they were 70 dollars for the shelf and 75 on the pork expo. yea the colors aren't correct but which limited case toys being produced one has to either go to customs or have to build your own, or paint john deere and true scale toy case colors.
talking with the toy manufacturers, both Ertl and Spec Cast they seem to want to produce toys that the newest generation of collectors are demanding, so the John Deere R series, Cases MX series, and for older tractors they would rather make the 30 and 40 series and the IH 56 and 68 series and newer.
One way to try and spark newer higher detail case versions would be to start a long line of collector tractors like what JD does and run it through a very large case club such as the JICCA or some other club that would be able to sell over a thousand tractors. start out with a cross motor and slowly work up through the decades of case tractors, since once the collector tractor is made the casting is ready to use to make a shelf model and a couple other variations. That's why there are so many spec cast DC's. I'm pretty sure they haven't fixed the original casting by putting brakes on it yet.
 
I saw a pretty detailed 7140 MFD. Tons of CaseIH MX tractors and lots of different CaseIH combines. So many 70 series it made my head swim.
Is there a list somewhere to be had of all the new generation 70 series tractors produced? It would be nice if it had pictures of each model. I won't buy any more of them until I can figure out how many new variations and special editions are out there and I didn't have time at the show to make a list of all of them I'd seen.
If there's a check list of all the model D variations, that would be nice too. I'm sure others would like to know as well. Thanks.
 
according to dicks price guide which doesn't have every single tractor made. here is the list of case tractor model D, DC, and 70 series tractors. I will add some if i know of a variation that is not listed.

Model D
spec cast D gas wf standard made in 2007
spec cast D 09 Pa farm showwith umbrella 1 of 750
spec cast D 2010 northland case coll 10th anniversary clamshell fenders
spec cast D firestone wheels of time 1 of 4000 released 2010.
spec cast D clamshell fenders released 2010 (no firestone tires just ertl tires.)
Dingman custom D standard made in 1986

Model DC
dingman 1983 custom made DC
1996 Spec cast DC gateway show tractor single front
1991 dingman DC with eagle hitch custom made
1995 Spec cast DC USA plowing match Case Reunion on rubber
1997 Spec Cast DC 7th annual crossroads, Normal, Il FFA
1997 Spec Cast DC with eagle hitch
1997 Spec Cast DC NF on rubber
1983 Dingman custom made DC-3 LP variation
2006 Spec cast DCS #7 high crop series, sugar cane, National farm museum.
1995 Spec cast DC-3 Special edition on steel nf
1996 Spec cast DC-3 on rubber dealer meeting special edition nf
1997 Spec cast DC-3 single front wheel fast start limited edition
2002 Spec cast DC-3 with eagle hitch
2002 spec cast DC-3 adjustable wide front
2006 spec cast DC-3 NF high detail
2006 spec cast DC-3 high detail series high crop limited edition.
2006 spec cast DC-3 gas wf
2006 spec cast DC-3 nf
2007 spec cast DC-3 nf lp
2009 spec cast DC-3 tricycle with one tire gas
1996 spec cast DC-4 wf on rubber
2002 spec cast DC-4 wf eagle hitch
2002 spec cast DC-4 on steel wf
2008 spec cast DC-4 gas wf
2008 spec cast DC-4 lp gas wf
2009 spec cast DC-4 paxton-buckley-loda show limited edition 1 of 100
2009 spec cast DC-4 wf with inverted wheels
2011 spec cast DC-3 with loader pork expo edition
2011 spec cast DC-3 with loader dealer model (only difference in these model is the pork expo decal on the loader and the box the tractor comes in)
2009 spec cast DC-3 with grain drill 09 dodge county WI tech days
some other variations not mentions the inverted wheel model also can be found in LP gas form, and they forgot about the spec cast DC that was a pulling tractor would be roughly early to mid 1990's. and a couple other custom builders have made D's and DC's.

70 series tractors
2002 ertl 970 with plow and plow dual
1970 ertl 1070 with disc, plow, wagon, and barn box
1969 ertl 1070 agri king small spindles, cab, duals
1969 ertl 1070 agri king
1970 ertl 1070 Agri king cab duals
1970 ertl 1070 argi king 451 cubes cab duals
1970 ertl 1070 golden harvester cab duals
1970 ertl 1070 black knight cab duals
1997 ertl 1070 agri king
2009 ertl 1070 black demonstrator limited edition 40th anniversary
1972 ertl 1170 dealer/factor promo very limited
1996 ertl 1170 2006 national farm toy show
1997 ertl 1170 with cowboy figure the last cowboy (firefox farm series)
2001 ertl 1170 cab
1972 ertl 1270 no cab
1972 ertl 1270 cab,decal error
2006 ertl 1270 white with cab
2008 ertl 1270 desert sand with cab. collector edition
1972 ertl 1270 no cab with disc, plow and wagon
1974 ertl agri king (white) 7 bottom plow, flare box wagon, and disc
1972 ertl 1370 agri king 504 turbo cab
1972 ertl 1370 agri king 504 turbo cab gold dealer award
1972 ertl 1370 agri king 504 turbo chrome plated (scarce)
2007 ertl 1370 duals, yellow, collector edition
1974 ertl 1370 agri king white no cab no model number
1974 ertl 1370 agri king large wheels cab no model numbers
1976 ertl 1370 agri king spirit of 76 cab wf light blue decal
1976 ertl 1370 agri king spirit of 76 cab wf dark blue decal
2008 ertl 1370 agri king dealer edition cab glass diecast rims duals
1998 precision engineering 1470 yellow/orange on wood plaque 1 of 300
1998 precision engineering 1470 black knight on wood plaque 1 of 200
1998 precision engineering 1470 yellow/orange on wood plaque with cab 1 of 300
there are about 8 versions of the 1470 by precision engineering the variations above also come without a plaque, there is also a industrial version, one with a snow plow, some come with duals, some with singles, he also makes 1200's that come in about 8 versions also. some on plaques are half a tractor and others are whole tractors depending on the variation.
2005 ertl 1570 toy tractor times spirit of 76
2007 ertl 1570 enclosed cab glass new tooling white.
as mentioned a 1570 will be released hopefully in june its a white 1570 with duals removable front weights, working front and rear lights, and flashers (suggested retail price is 189.00 chase unit is the same tractor only painted as a spirit of 76 should be selling between 300 and 400 dollars.)
 
OMG !!! Its worse than I thought. I'll have to drag mine out of storage and see which ones I have. I was afraid I was missing a few but maybe I'm missing most of them. Thank you for the list. Sure will help me and I'm sure others to sort them all out.
 
Yea there are a lot of them as you can see but just think they made 23 variations of the case 580 construction backhoe alone.
 

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