Well Loren, you've it better than me. Spent 2 1/2 hours to go less than 5 miles just now. 1 inch of wet ice on I65 just south of Indy. That was the worst stretch of road I've ever traveled. When I moved I would just slide down to the grass. Sure am glad that's done. Did get to give the new trucks traction control and anti lock brakes a good checking out tho. They work great!! lol.