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Case Nutty 1660

11-13-2012 12:09:21
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OK guy's this is one subject on Case I do remember well as I always LOVED the Black Knight paint I sure wish I could find the 1070 we had, it went to the Billings MT area as others have said Demo's were on lots for some time after they did the Demo's, here every one wanted a regular painted one and a new one not one every one had ran, and we ended transfering it as we were making intrest payments and things were on a tight rope as far as money then to say the least, we did not get a GD unit in as when they came out we had 4 or 5 "70" series already in and they were moving just fine, we would do a demo and out the door they went, myself I was never wild about the color scheme on the GD trators it just never really fit to me but when the BK's were released I thought they were the sharpest thing out at the time, the "Golden Demo" on the build cards makes sence to me after I have read some of my lit and such as the program from start to finish was "The Golden Opportunity Demostrator Tractor" so reguardless of the paint scheme the card read the same, hope this makes things a bit clearer, I remember unloading ours doing a "run in" on the Dyno and taking her to the field with 6-16" semi-mount plow, a 32' "FC" field cultivator (I still have it) and a 22' tandeum disc and a 12' offset disc on many demos, I think ours had around 350hrs when it was transfered, by the way it was a 1070 with cab a/c htr radio Agri-King cloth seat 3pt 540/1000 pto 6 rear wh weights and 10 front with the wrap weights on the front, 10.00x16 front and 20.8x38 rears cnt

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rusty6

11-14-2012 09:46:34
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
Just to redeem myself for posting so much green paint, here is a page from the 1971 brochure showing the roll over test of the Case 70 series cabs. They were really pushing the safety and comfort buttons back at that time. And I guess it was about time.
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Case Nutty 1660

11-14-2012 09:57:36
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to rusty6, 11-14-2012 09:46:34  
I have several film strips from 69 that show this and several other "tests" these were a very large step in operator safety for sure, wish I had the movie that we were shown back in those days was very rough tests they did to prove the ROPS was sound, they had to work a bit to get the ISO-mount to take the roll over, another thing to note was these cabs when rolled were made to "pop" out windows instead of the glass coming in if it failed one other thing Case introduced at this time was the non-metalic fuel tank I do not remember the excat times the test unit with the same tank survived the test but is was quite a few thanks for posting not all on here have to lit resources others do and I am glad many of us a willing to take time to scan/post and share cnt

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rusty6

11-14-2012 09:41:58
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to NickatKY, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
I guess where confusion could enter is that JD brought out their roll guard in 1966. Now I am not sure just when they got the cab to go with it. The brochure I have is dated 1970 showing the roll guard cab but I don't know if this was the introduction or if it was earlier. I know the early JD cabs were pretty boxy looking compared to the roll guard cab by Hinson.

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Case Nutty 1660

11-14-2012 09:48:03
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to rusty6, 11-14-2012 09:41:58  
sorry, I have seen those also but always thought they were aftermarket I was referring to the Sound Guard design one the "30" series JD units thanks for the correction cnt



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rusty6

11-14-2012 07:27:42
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Agri King, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
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Yes, the Case advertising back then seemed to focus on the "rops" ability of the new cabs on the 70 series. Maybe in response to JD's "roll guard cabs" that came out on the late 20 series. I have all those Case brochures that the dealers sent out here in the early seventies starting in 71. I think this is the oldest one I have. They were a pretty good cab in their day.

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Case Nutty 1660

11-14-2012 08:52:55
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to rusty6, 11-14-2012 07:27:42  
the "70" series tactor came out in 1969 before JD had a factory ROPS tractor, I remember going to test drive the new JD tractors so we had a leg up so to speak on selling against them, other than it seemed a little smaller than the Case cab I did think it was a nice cab compared to the aftermarket ones I had seen on JD and the pre "70" series Case units cnt



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Ande

11-14-2012 06:36:28
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
Like you Tom,would like to have the Black Knight "1070" back but my uncle has it,and I guess still using it for loader work,still has its chrome muffler on it,and our brass dealer tag in the cab,he also has the the toy too that my Dad gave to him.
I dont know what happen to our Golden Demo,last time I saw her she was in hard labor on a loader in a feedlot,makes me sad to think of her that way

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ind 38

11-13-2012 19:42:17
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
the early cab was made by HINSON of waterloo, ia. i own the 35th 70 series tractor built and it has the case designed cab built by hinson.it has their decal with serial number on it.the tractor is a 970 diesel with air cond.it was built july 30,1969 and shipped to the CASE INTRO 70 SHOW for the dealers in aug.1969 at bong air force base by racine wi. hope this helps your discusion. john



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rusty6

11-13-2012 19:25:54
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to 1370rod, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
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I believe (not sure) that Hinson made the John Deere cabs just prior to the sound guard bodies that came out on the new generation tractors in 72-73.



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case1570

11-13-2012 14:19:07
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
You are spot on Nutty except the build cards on the Golden Demo's were stamped "Golden Opportunity" not "Golden Demonstrator" as the all black units were. It was just a large stamp not in the line item like the the BK's had. This just makes the point very clear that we really need that JI Case time machine.
Brian1570



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rusty6

11-13-2012 13:59:44
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
That yellow cab/black hood paint scheme is one I have never seen here. The tractors were black from one end to the other. Maybe the local dealer just didn't get any of the yellow cab/black hood on the lot here in Sask.



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Adirondack case guy

11-13-2012 14:52:20
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to rusty6, 11-13-2012 13:59:44  
Ralph,
It has been told that there was a comunications problem between Case and Hiniker who made the original Case cabs, and the cabs were never painted black, for the 1970 GDs, like Case had requested. I have nothing to varify this, other than hearsay. I personally liked the GD paint better than the BKs.
Loren



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Case Nutty 1660

11-13-2012 15:21:38
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 14:52:20  

Bro, the story we got from our service rep on cabs for the "70" series was this, they sent Case 10 cabs, five were installed and put into testing, all five were crushed and failed in roll over testing and would have been fatal if a driver had been in them, Case then decided NOT to have them build cabs with ROPS at all and then built their own cabs from then on, so as far as we were told these were Case built cabs on all production "70" series tractors, I remember it was a big deal to our dealership as we was selling Egging and Sims cabs except for 3 or 4 1030's with the factory Allen cab and my Dad was concerned about the safty of the ROPS for Ag and industrial units, the scan above seems to verify my memory cnt

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Adirondack case guy

11-13-2012 16:56:16
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 15:21:38  
Bro,
Indeed the 70 series cab was Case designed, and speced, however, I was told that Hiniker, worked in conjunction with Case engineers.??????
My Dad and I went to Pheonix AZ. for the intro to the 70 series and Case made a very big presentation of the rollover testing that you posted pics. of.
Loren



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1370rod

11-13-2012 17:59:04
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 16:56:16  
I am enjoying the exchange of info you guys are having and would like to add something. My dad purchased one of the very early 970's. Factory cab it had a tag on the RH post in the cab saying who manufactured the cab. I am not 100% confident my memory is correct, but I think it said Ansel, I am sure it was not Hinniker which is a Mankato MN company I know. Who ever made the factory cab for the 9-1030's I think made the first 70's cab. I am confident in saying the very first 70 series cab were of CASE spec's ,but built by someone else. Rod.

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casecollectorsc

11-13-2012 18:50:04
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to 1370rod, 11-13-2012 17:59:04  
Allen was the company that built the 9-1030 and Case combine cabs. Was under the impression Allen built the first cabs for the 70 series, but was rejected by Case, then they built their own cabs to control quality.



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Case Nutty 1660

11-13-2012 18:58:16
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to casecollectorsc, 11-13-2012 18:50:04  
yes that is the same thing I said, that I was told by our rep,,lets see how many are on our side LOL Case also made their own cabs for the 580B with a built in ROPS starting in 1971 cnt



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casecollectorsc

11-13-2012 20:00:39
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 18:58:16  
The Allen cabs were in my opinion very good for what they were. I have a factory cab on a 1030 and I like it. Same with the combine cabs. They were much better than some of the after market companies. Vision was so much better and ventilation was good on the combine cabs compared to the after market companies. Plus they don't shake and rattle.



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Case Nutty 1660

11-13-2012 20:37:40
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to casecollectorsc, 11-13-2012 20:00:39  
Yes I agree with you completely they are very well designed cabs I think they still make cabs today or at least A/C systems I ran a Hough loader back in the late 80's that had a Allen Air system in it cnt



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Adirondack case guy

11-13-2012 18:24:09
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to 1370rod, 11-13-2012 17:59:04  
Rod,
We're on the same track, but the cogs in my brain have become a bit worn. LOL. As I think about this an other name comes to mind also, "Hinson". I will set back and see where this thread goes from here.
Loren



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1370rod

11-13-2012 21:12:21
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 18:24:09  
Loren, that might be it, I belief thats it. Hinson, good call, I'll go with that. I will try to dust off some of these old brain cells and think a little more,but Hinson I bet is correct. Those first cabs were built by them. All those cabs with that dumb air filter above the steering wheel and the cab windows have square corners are Hinson, cabs with rounded window corners are the CASE built cabs. Also when the cab air filter got moved back were they slide into the rear of the cab is the first CASE built cab with rounded window corners. It was a year or so later when they added that little overhang on the back that remained the same till halting production of the 70's. My BK has the rear slide in filter and rounded window corners, a CASE cab, built Oct, 71. Thanks for jogging my memory, Rod.

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1370rod

11-13-2012 21:50:57
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to 1370rod, 11-13-2012 21:12:21  
I forgot to add, go back to the Golden Demo pic your Bro posted. Square corner windows, that is a Hinson cab, the poor guys going to get the dash and steering wheel full of dust when ever he hits a bump because of that filter location. I know, dads 970 was a good tractor and I spent a lot of hrs on it, that was about the only complaint we had, Rod.



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Case Nutty 1660

11-13-2012 17:26:40
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 16:56:16  
Bro I remember the rep showing us these shots some time late in 68 (first time I laid eyes on the new tractors) and saying this was the Hiniker cab tha failed, these shots have always taken me ba ck to that day in the shop as these were the same frames the distric man had with him, I think they made them at Bettendorf but am not completely sure on that but I am pretty sure it was not a Racine built cab, Dad went to Intro "70" at Racine so he missed the Phoenix intro cnt

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1370rod

11-13-2012 21:31:18
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 17:26:40  
Hi Nutty, I hope Your Wife Is doing better, we certainly wish her the best. I recall seeing those pics before of the tractor rolling but don't remember were. I do recall in 1971 at the Spencer IA fair CASE had a 1070 on display up-side down resting on the cab, they were demonstrating that the new CASE cab would protect you in a roll over. It attracted a lot of attention back then. Rod.



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Adirondack case guy

11-13-2012 12:39:18
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 11-13-2012 12:09:21  
Bro,
we transfered in 3, or 4 BKs One in perticular that I remember was the one that CW Waltz Inc. in Cougan Station PA.,where Mel has spent his years. It was a real strong running 1170 with cab and 20.8x38s. Perhaps Mel had tweeked it a bit, HeHe. It was sold to the neighboring farm across Rt 20 from the dealership, along with an 1160 corn special combine with 4 row head. (they didn't raise any small grain). I can't remember where we transfered the 1160 from,. It also came out of PA. (I think a dealer in State Collage, PA)
Loren

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2290

11-13-2012 14:39:28
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 12:39:18  
Hi, I believe it came from our dealership. The Dealership was 13 miles east of State College. We sold 3 BKs,I still know where one of them is. It is very low hours and garage keep if it ever comes up for sale I will have it. HOPEFULLY

Marlin1



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Adirondack case guy

11-13-2012 14:58:06
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to 2290, 11-13-2012 14:39:28  
Small world ! What was the name of your dealership. I'm sure it will "ring a bell" in my tiny brain mass, LOL.
Loren



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2290

11-13-2012 15:58:06
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to Adirondack case guy, 11-13-2012 14:58:06  
Hi, Our dealership Rte.45 Sale & Service. My dad and uncle opened up in 1964 as a Case dealer. In 1990 I took over,in 1993 they wanted me to paint my building and my trucks a certain color. A couple years later they wanted me to get BIGGER as in another location. I told them it was not going to happen.In 2000 they said they did not need me as a dealer,but we kept the parts contract for a few years. Now wife & I still farm and sale and repair farm equipment. Also we have a parts store. I am better off with out a tractor line.

Marlin1

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Adirondack case guy

11-13-2012 19:49:21
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 Re: more on Demostrators in reply to 2290, 11-13-2012 15:58:06  
Marlin1, The exact thing happened to my Good friends at Randall Imps., here. When my good friend decided to renew his contract with CASE-IH in 88, he and I drew up plans for a brand new facility on "the main drag", 800'down the road from the new JD facility and seperated by a new State Police headquarters, building. The colors that Bob selected for the wood framed, steel clad building was Tan, with Brown Trim. The colors fit very nicely into the enviroment.
In 1993 as you stated Case-IH wanted their dealers to paint their buildings gray with white trim, and red accents, plus new signage. As I said in a earlier post, I was gone by then. About 1995 I was a General Contractor and was called to cure some major leakage in the roof and side walls of the building. Due to the applied Gray paint, to the roof and walls, the steel was expanding and contracting with heating from the sun and cooling in the evening and loosened all the screws holding the steel sheeting onto the building. My construction company did the work to seal the "skin" with oversized longer SS gasketed screws, removing the old wiggled loose and broke off roofing screws from the havock the dark paint color placed on the steel. The screws alone from Fasenall were $3 grand.;
Totally needless expense placed on the dealership!!!!!!!! , and it will happen again because of the dark color. No wonder customers complain about high prices for parts and labor! They are paying for expensive Facades, rather than quality service and parts support. Total BS in my opinion.
Loren

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