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Case Nutty 1660 10-14-2012 11:34:42 75.127.24.27 Report to Moderator	Had this thought some might like to see how things were cnt [Reply]   [No Email]
Harry J. Case 10-15-2012 19:23:15 207.119.221.187 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 11:34:42   Back in that day as i remember the Minnie GB on propane kicked everybodys butt, especially the green and yellow. [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 10-15-2012 04:48:33 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 11:34:42   if you go back through the history of various makes of tractors and equipment you'll always find some management decision that in hindsight was simply stupid. Case had it's boners and outfits like AC and IHC really blew it a time or 3. Live and learn, eh? My dream tractor would be something like an 800/830COM with about 65-70hp in an engine that sips fuel like a DB or Perkins. I'm still stuck about 1960 anyways so please don't laugh at my low desires! [Reply]  [No Email]
Adirondack case guy 10-14-2012 20:58:47 74.69.160.79 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 11:34:42   Case not only missed it with gear selection, however I wonder if the VAC14 EXPs that Nick posted had the 12spd. The big 400 sure was a big deal in our dealership and set the standard here, but when the 800COM came out, we had infinate speed and torque, which was controled by drawbar load and PT0 load. If either increased or decreased the ground speed automatically adjusted also. NO standard transmission could do that! The main reason that COM was poorly received was that Case didn't theach it's dealers how to sell it's virtues, and most dealers were too stuborn to accept something this different. My Dad saw the advantages to COM and at age 11 all I wanted to do was to drive tractors. We had the farm and my Dad spent time with me and lots of Case equipment, working it on the farm to learn what it could really do, or sometimes not do. I became the demo operator at an early age, and when Dad got a customer aside and he saw what the tractor was capable of with a "Kid" at the wheel, the two of us made a pretty impressive sales team. He told the customer all the good stuff, "value" in sales terms, and I felt like a genius, when We put the customer in the seat and I sat on the fender instructing him on how to deal with the COM tranny. Most of the demonstrations were with a ST 44 plow, and once the customer was in the seat, Dad would make sure every furrow was perfect. Loren [Reply]  [No Email]
Ande 10-17-2012 06:05:15 66.231.103.186 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Adirondack case guy, 10-14-2012 20:58:47   Loren,I couldnt have explained it any better,my Dad was a mechanic,and he understood the COM,after coming home from the Intro in Arizona,he really had a passion for the COM,and knew what to teach the customer,so they took care of them. I know my Dad came home from Arizona,and was ready to sign the papers to become a J.I.Case dealer.....And in November of 1958...well you know,,,he did...and yes demo'd and sold "B" series [Reply]  [No Email]
Case Nutty 1660 10-14-2012 15:15:26 75.127.24.27 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 11:34:42   Don forgot to add this chart also as to speeds Case 500 4sp IH WD-9 5sp MH 55 4sp JD 820 6sp Oliver 99 4sp cnt [Reply]  [No Email]
Glenn F. 10-14-2012 16:35:16 166.181.3.248 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 15:15:26   I am CASE to the bone, but the 4-speed held the flambeau tractors back. Low gear was often just too fast on the chopper or combine. That said, it surely didn't stop us from putting probably 15,000 hours on our '51 DC on our Wisconsin dairy farm. Glenn F. [Reply]  [No Email]
Case Nutty 1660 10-14-2012 17:01:02 75.127.24.27 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Glenn F., 10-14-2012 16:35:16   Have to agree with you Glenn with Clauson at the helm Case was held ack for sure on gears, the engineer's want to add gears to the "VA" series tractors for a very minium cost and he said no way he knew what the farmers needed, can you imagine a "VA" series tractor with and 6/8 or 12 speed from the start and live pto where that series would have been alone, they knew the "500" needed more gears as seen in the "600" a short time later, as to the "D" series they did work on the "400" series quite a few years and was a huge success when finally released but you know as I do a "D" series tractor with even a six speed would have been very useful indeed, but then how many "300"-big"400" tractors would they have sold if they already had all the goodies LOL cnt [Reply]  [No Email]
Ande 10-17-2012 06:12:40 66.231.103.186 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 17:01:02   Agree with both of you,and one thing that still rings through my ears is what my Dad use to say talking about the "500",he couldnt understand why dealers didnt do a better job of selling the "500",even thou it didnt have the gearing.He said nothing could touch her! He sold the "heck" out of "900B's" and to this day,I love listening to them run,what a gutsy tractor. Great post Tom,and your lucky you have a "500" I'm still looking for the right one! [Reply]  [No Email]
Don Rudolph 10-14-2012 17:16:30 184.95.88.146 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 17:01:02   Tom, It's all a matter of timing. Farmers had money to burn until about 1953 as a result of WWII built up demand. Case could have really gotten some market share in the late 40's and early 50's which would have given them additional R and D money to develop their lead in forage harvesters ,balers, corn pickers, etc. They probably would have sold even more 400's with more successful dealers and marketing efforts. Don [Reply]  [No Email]
JD 5020 guy 10-15-2012 16:39:57 216.220.12.48 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Don Rudolph, 10-14-2012 17:16:30   I think Case could have done better if they had just come out with the 500 earlier when like you said farmers had money to burn. I think they were late on the ball getting a diesel tractor on the market in 1952. JD got a tremendous response when they introduced the R. It had to have been tough selling a LA against a WD9, R, or Massey 55. [Reply]  [No Email]
Don Rudolph 10-15-2012 18:40:21 184.95.88.146 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to JD 5020 guy, 10-15-2012 16:39:57   I think you are 100% correct, same with the 400. Don [Reply]  [No Email]
Don Rudolph 10-14-2012 16:55:15 184.95.88.146 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Glenn F., 10-14-2012 16:35:16   Glen, The old Case dealers I have interviewed have all said that the 4 speeds offered by Case was a real disadvantage to selling, especially as you got into the 50's and farmers wanted more than just something to replace the horses. Don [Reply]  [No Email]
Don Rudolph 10-14-2012 14:44:52 184.95.88.146 Report to Moderator	Re: 500 comparision chart in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 10-14-2012 11:34:42   Tom, Thanks for posting this. Any idea how many speeds the competition offered? If it was only four a farmer would have been crazy to buy the competition. Don [Reply]  [No Email]