Case 541? Model ID

Arcking · Mar 26, 2012

Brought this tractor home for a friend the other day and we're trying to get a positive identification on the model. Seller had it listed as a CASE 530, but seeing as how it's a gasser and has tricycle gear, I'm inclined to think it's a _41 based on what I've come across online.

Any insight into what it might be?

Any other resources that might be helpful? Shop manual for 430/530/630 is on order. Seems to be a less common model.

Joe Young · Mar 26, 2012

I believe you have a 511B. I can't tell from the picture if it's a 1958 or 1959 Model. - Joe

Joe Young · Mar 26, 2012

I might have spoke too quick. If it has 28" rears it could be a 311B. It appears the rear tires are bigger (36") which would make the tractor a 511B. There has been considerable "engineering" done with a voltage regulator mounted in the left side engine compartment, what appears to be a alternator replacing the generator, and a set of clamshell fenders replacing the original full coverage fenders.

What is the silver item projecting out from the engine compartment underneath the alternator? Is it some kind of a modified air intake system that bypassed the oil bath in from of the radiator?

It looks like the remote hydraulic hoses were re-routed forward...maybe for a cultivator, or for a loader?

Adirondack case guy · Mar 26, 2012

Joe,
It's definitly an interesting tractor. A pic. of the rear with the Eagle Hitch arms would tell us the diff.
Loren.

Joe Young · Mar 26, 2012

Loren

Agreed... A view of the dash and hood would also help date this specimen.

KGBFarmer · Mar 26, 2012

Arcking brought this tractor home for me - thanks for your help Arcking. Some additional information that may(?) help ID the tractor ... it has unique rear wheels - looks like a many-spoked wheel. We also have 3 gear ranges (noticed some of the pics I looked up on line had "Tripl-Range" decal on hood). I can send more pics this weekend when I get back to the farm - just let me know what views will be most helpful. For now the only additional pic I have is view of other side of tractor, which I will try to upload here. Thanks for all your help guys!

Case Nutty 1660 · Mar 26, 2012

I don't remember any 159 motors having the oil filter where this one is looks like a 300B or 500B like joe said to me

Case Nutty 1660 · Mar 26, 2012

I don't remember any 159 motors having the oil filter where this one is looks like a 300B or 500B like joe said to me

BarryfromIA · Mar 26, 2012

I am going to say it's a 312b. There was one at the Madison SD show when Pioneer Village hosted the the J.I.Case Heritage Foundation several years ago. Probably not too many these were built.

VACLee · Mar 26, 2012

Front pedestal would indicate a 511B, but I can not see a steering shaft in the area of the voltage regulator. Lots of hoses, maybe converted to hydrostatic. Lee

Joe Young · Mar 26, 2012

Barry

You might be on to something. The front pedestal would be
correct. However, my references show there were only 39 312Bs
made, all in 1958. THis tractor appears to be a 1959 with the
radiator cap on top of the hood.... Interesting mystery...- Joe

Arcking · Mar 27, 2012

A few points of clarification and answers to questions:

* A PO has made some significant changes to the rear 3pt & hitch mount, so I"m not convinced that"s a reliable feature for identification. The arms do have a sort of "quick latch" though.

* The silver protrusion is an air intake

* The steering shaft runs behind the plate just under the voltage regulator

* There"s a (plugged) hydraulic line near where you see the lines on the driver side. The lines visible in that image run to a power steering unit - appears to be similar to a Charlynn torque generator.

Joe Young · Mar 27, 2012

Arching

Another way to determine whether you have a 300B or a 500B is to check the casting number on the Eagle Hitch housing/transmission top plate. There were several numbers but I believe the ones in the picture below are the relevant ones for this discussion.

Something else that is peculiar about this tractor is that it has the "high crop" front pedestal with pressed steel wheels. Those were available on the 200B-400B standard profile tractors (28" rear wheels), but I didn't think they were used on the taller (36") tractors until the very last 630s. Notice the cast front wheels on the 500B and 350 below.

Case Nutty 1660 · Mar 27, 2012

Joe my 600B has the pressed steel wheels on the front it is a 59 model

BarryfromIA · Mar 27, 2012

The casting numbers may mean more than the front pedestal. The pedestal can be interchanged with any Racine built large tractor and we know that things have been changed on this unit.

Joe Young · Mar 28, 2012

I must have not been looking hard enough!! Is your 600B a dual front? - Joe

Case Nutty 1660 · Mar 28, 2012

no it is a wide front, does that make a differance?? or were all wide fronts pressed steel?

Joe Young · Mar 28, 2012

That is my understanding. The wide fronts had pressed steel and the narrow front, dual front wheels had the cast centers. The parts manuals show that to be consistent from the 300, through the X00B series. The cast centers were changed to pressed steel on dual front-ends during the 630 production run, starting with serial number 8208001 (beginning of the 1963 production). That being said...one would think the cast hubs could be replaced with 6-bolt hubs since the spindles were the same. - Joe

Adirondack case guy · Mar 28, 2012

How about an early (430EH) with optional PS wheels? The platforms were not designed for full coverage fenders like a 511, or 311, but for shell fenders.Just a thought.
Loren

BarryfromIA · Mar 28, 2012

I don't think so ACG. The platforms on the later tractors with small fenders had a lip on the outer edge. The platforms on the tractor in question looks like it had the earlier full fender and the outer portion is gone. Look at Joe's 500B. Barry.

Arcking · Mar 29, 2012

Casting number is [b:b53e091a20]G1708[/b:b53e091a20].

Due to some technical difficulties on KGBFarmer's end, I'm posting some additional pics:

A. G. Keiper · Apr 1, 2012

I think it's a 500B. If you look at the picture of the carburetor you can see the plate on the engine block indicating it's the dry sleeved 164 cid engine.

Arcking · Apr 2, 2012

(quoted from post at 20:09:28 04/01/12) I think it's a 500B. If you look at the picture of the carburetor you can see the plate on the engine block indicating it's the dry sleeved 164 cid engine.

With the narrow front, would it be a 511B?

Is there anyway to disengage the belt drive?

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