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It is typical of sales literature to over rate the number of bottoms. 4 bottoms is enough for an 830. I have some areas in my field where 3 bottoms would be better. My first tractor was a 730 with a 4 bottom semi mounted. It had enought weight but needed the power of the 830. My next tractor was a 930 and I used the same plow. The dirt flew with the 930.
Ted, when my family lived in NW Colorado our '63 830 dual range diesel pulled 5 bottoms easily. Our altitude was approximately 7,000 ft and it was very hilly. The 830 had no trouble at all with 5 bottoms in the tough adobe soil there.
When we brought the tractor back to central Texas it would walk away with 5 bottoms and never look back. It would have pulled 6 there even in the old tight black gumbo soil and the sandy soil spots would have been a piece of cake. All thing are relative, what may work for some in some conditions may not for others based on soil, altitude, topography etc.
As an ex marketing guy I feel that the Case marketing folks preparing the sales literature at the time had to recommend to the "middle of the road" capabilities wise. How could you sell the 830 against competitor's tractors with similar HP if you only advertised it was a 4-5 plow or worse yet, 3-4 plow tractor?
Jim
When we brought the tractor back to central Texas it would walk away with 5 bottoms and never look back. It would have pulled 6 there even in the old tight black gumbo soil and the sandy soil spots would have been a piece of cake. All thing are relative, what may work for some in some conditions may not for others based on soil, altitude, topography etc.
As an ex marketing guy I feel that the Case marketing folks preparing the sales literature at the time had to recommend to the "middle of the road" capabilities wise. How could you sell the 830 against competitor's tractors with similar HP if you only advertised it was a 4-5 plow or worse yet, 3-4 plow tractor?
Jim
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My uncle had an 830 COM diesel and a JD 4020 diesel Power shift and he always said the 830 would pull the same tools the 4020 would with less fuel.
Ted, back in 1962 when the Farm Progress show was in Blairsburg Iowa, Dad remembered the Case people took an 830 diesel COM, loaded the tires with powdered lead & went to the field demonstration area pulling 6 bottoms. Ironically, 20 years ago here in N central Iowa 4 bottoms would be enough for an 830, now days 3 would probably be enough, you cant tell me this huge equipment now days is'nt compacting the @#$% out of this soil
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3-14's = MAX here in NE WI for 66 horsepower, no matter the color.
Glenn F.
Glenn F.
olgentdc
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Amen to that claim ,830vs4020 , I had a worn Out 930 that would walk the Line proudly with the same tools that the 4020 whimperred with ,. 930 would use quart of oil per hour working hard ... but the830 should NEVER had a claim placed on it by CASE that it would pull 5-6 plows , even if You could do it in PERFECT conditions ,, hurts the credibility of a GOOD Co.
John Saeli
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Here in our famed Seneca County NY clays, a 730 will pull 4 16's all day in 3rd & earn her keep, but the 830 will pull them in 4th. If you really want to turn some soil, put the 4 16's behind the 870. It's Chris' tractor, so I have to get her permission to use it.
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Boy oh boy!! My 1070 at its' best has its' pants full to pull 3-16s and the 830CK could handle 2 -6s in this clay!! The 930 Ck handled 3-14s but that was max as well.
John Saeli
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Something wrong with your 1070.
Anonymous-0
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Over in western wisconsin, West of Menomonie we pulled 4 14's in the hills with a 730CK, very seldom out of 4 gear. When we got the 970 went to 5 16's semi-mounted and no problems. Always put down manure on the fields to be plowed plus rotated the alfalfa to keep the ground workable.
You guys need to mention how deep you plow. That makes a BIG difference. There is gumbo out there that if you plow it deep enough, it will make a clydsdale act like a shetlan pony. The 4010 John Deere was rated as 5 bottoms but in Kansas gumbo my brother only pulled three with his 4010. My 1170 is rated as 6 bottoms but I pull 4-16 with it. Otherwise, I have to cheat on depth in the gumbo. Why plow if you have to raise a little in the tough spots.
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John, We did have it dyno tested @ the John Deere dealership and they claimed it was putting out over 120hp. The tractor did have a turbo on it before it was overhauled, and then my dad bought it. We try not to plow more than 8 inches. By thye way. The DC could pull a semi mounted 2-14's but it was loaded to the max also.
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I would have to say [VERY SICK ]I have used my 6-16's Case 3300 series plow, with my 1070 power shift,has 20-8-38's loaded,1000lbs weight out front,rops tractor 130 hp,2-2/2-3/3-1. this tractor has Never been turned up, has 5393 hours on it/77 model/Newfield,NY
Ron
I was wondering when someone might bring up plow depth..... I remember plowing river bottom gumbo late one night when I was in high school in the late 70s. I was running a 2470 with a 7000 series 6-20s semi-mounted plow. Our neighbor was plowing across the fence line with a "Spiegel Special" Massey 1805 with the same 7000 series 6-20s plow. I thought something was wrong with the 2470 until I stopped and walked over to his furrow. He only had the damned thing in the ground 4-6", and was still cheating in the tough spots. All was well in Case Land. He got bragging rights, but we both knew which was the stronger tractor.... - Joe
I was wondering when someone might bring up plow depth..... I remember plowing river bottom gumbo late one night when I was in high school in the late 70s. I was running a 2470 with a 7000 series 6-20s semi-mounted plow. Our neighbor was plowing across the fence line with a "Spiegel Special" Massey 1805 with the same 7000 series 6-20s plow. I thought something was wrong with the 2470 until I stopped and walked over to his furrow. He only had the damned thing in the ground 4-6", and was still cheating in the tough spots. All was well in Case Land. He got bragging rights, but we both knew which was the stronger tractor.... - Joe
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Not a Case but mabe sorta for comparison. I pulled a 4-16 semi-mount on the fast hitch with a farmall 706 german at about 4-3/4mph,no problem. The plow worked best at that speed. Pulled 3/14 trailer plow with a Super M. 3rd gear I think. And 2-14's with the Fords or Fergusons.
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John Saeli
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We can only crawl w/ 7 16's behind the 2390. The 4890 does a good job w/ them in 3-2. The 4890 came from Crispell's auction. Was you running me?
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No!We all ready had the 2670-2870,4890 !You got a Good Tractor ,They put over $22000 in it a Empire Tractor Cortland ,Think Scott Kind of let them take them for a Ride.they were trying to pull that Junk IH plow [I think it was a 9 bottom]/The tires are no good as Singles it was Power Hoping, [Side Wall Flexing ]We told them it need Duels.My brother bought the John Deere Mulcher,drove the 2390 over and picked it up the next day.he wished he bought the 2294/4X4 [$7000 was agive away].Scott does some repair work.and some farming.
I notice that we are using the term GUMBO. My use of the word may be different that what others view as GUMBO. When growing up, my dad used the term GUMBO to refer to subsoil that had all the top soil eroded away. Our old C Case was rated at 3 bottoms but we only used a 2 bottom plow behind it. In GUMBO, a 1 bottom plow would have been about right. On GUMBO ground, the corn made about 30 bu. That was before seed corn cost 200 dollars a bushel!!!
John Saeli
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I get along OK w/ the singles. I do need to pull the pan this Winter & check bearings. 95psi oil press. when cold, but 55 when hot & wound up.
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Ours does the same.I think you might want to rethink pulling to oil pan ?? You have to UNBOLT and jack the Fraim up about 4-8 inches away from the front axal to get it out from under the Engine.It is different than the ones with the 504 motor.We used the 4890 with out the Duels when we first got it,on the 7-18's it would do the power hop [20-8-34 Radials ]had to put the duels on to get it under control [On the hills].
John Saeli
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We have 2 4890's. The other one holds oil press. good, so I am really worried about the one from Crispells, the way it drops. I figured on a lot of work getting to it.
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We had to Change a pistion& sleeve,the last owner parted next to a building Roof,We think,dumped water in to No.4 Cylinder & Busted the Sleeve from top to bottom right downwere the wrist pin is,about 2 in wide.we were told they thought it was ahead Gasket,Ho Ho.It;s been a good tractor,with out any other problems,We bought it out of OHIO through Dealer friend of ours.
Too Far Gone
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In missouri our Gumbo land is real black,shiny and deep laying along creeks and tough stuff
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