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WD45 and front end loader...options?

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RobJJ

04-07-2007 07:31:36
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I'd like to get a front end loader/bucket for the WD45. What are my options? I see new loaders for sale that sound like they are pretty generic...does that apply to newer tractors only, or should it be able to be fitted to my WD45? What about vintage loaders? Which ones would fit my tractor?

WHat would have to be done to the hydraulics to enable a loader to be fitted. I have a hydraulic line (with quick connect fitting) that is not connected to anything currently, and a lever/valve that obviously is intended to run something besides the 3-point hitch. Would this be where somehting like a loader would attach its hydraulics? If not, what is that line intended to operate.

Anyway, any help to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.

Rob

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JMS/MN

04-07-2007 14:32:43
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to RobJJ, 04-07-2007 07:31:36  
Location???? I have several loaders that fit a WD45- all trip bucket. They work fine with a single hydraulic line plugged into the remote coupler. For a two-way, all hydraulic loader, you need to add at least a valve, and should have a separate pump and reservoir. Here, Paulson is a typical aftermarket brand. Other brands available. Lever/valve intended to run something besides the (lift arms- not 3ph)? Is there already another pump/valve? Original would be one pump with the operating lever on the quadrant, opposite the throttle lever.

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John in KC

04-07-2007 19:48:44
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to JMS/MN, 04-07-2007 14:32:43  
I'm in KC and I'm looking for a loader for a WD 45 WF. Anybody got one for sale (close to here)?



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John (C-IL)

04-07-2007 14:23:25
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to RobJJ, 04-07-2007 07:31:36  
Allis Chalmers also sold a pipe tube framed loader for the WD/WD45 that was a trip bucket model. I have a good one available if you are interested.



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big orange

04-07-2007 08:14:41
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to RobJJ, 04-07-2007 07:31:36  
Allis made a loader(445) for the WD-45's. was a good well built loader, could be hard to find now though.They were available with a front pump to power the loader, worked well.



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RobJJ

04-07-2007 20:26:24
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to big orange, 04-07-2007 08:14:41  
Well, I'm near Boise ID...but will travel if the price is right and when I have the time. What is a trip bucket? One where you just pull a level (or something to trip it) and it dumps but not under hydraulic control?

It sounds like there are roughly two types of loaders...what you are calling a trip bucket, and one that uses/has more hydraulic control...is that about right? Can someone explain in more detail the differences?

Once I know of the difference, then I guess I can fine tune my wants. Thanks to all, and if anyone is within a few hundred miles of Boise and has something I might be interested in, let me know.

Rob

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Aaron SEIA

04-08-2007 06:50:47
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to RobJJ, 04-07-2007 20:26:24  
Trip loaders work pretty much as you guessed. They have hydraulic up/down but the bucket (generally smaller than a full hydraulic one) operates on a trip system. When the loader is down, the bucket runs level, fill the bucket, raise it over where you want the load dumped, then pull a lever, that releases a pin and the bucket dump free. Back up, let the loader down, the bucket will catch the dirt and swivel back untill it's level and the pin locks it again. All hydraulic ones use hydraulic cylinders for up/down AND for tipping the bucket. This give you an infinite position for the bucket through about 100 degrees of swing. Full hydraulic loaders tend to require newer tractors with better hydraulic systems. Trip buckets work fine for loading manure and the like but get limited pretty quickly doing other tasks.
Aaron SEIA

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Chuck Hall

04-12-2007 17:29:00
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to Aaron SEIA, 04-08-2007 06:50:47  
Help I have a 56 WD-45 and want to add a Schwartz 1450 loader with trip bucket that came off a WD, Can anyone tell me how to hook up the Hydraulic line. Mine doesn't have the line that runs to the rear. A diagram with the line and fittings with sizes would be great for I do not know much on how it hooks into the pump Mine has a line hooked up on each side and a plug next to the line toward the inside by motor, would be grateful for any help

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Motorken

04-12-2007 17:52:59
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to Chuck Hall, 04-12-2007 17:29:00  
Chuck,
I just came home today with a WD-45 that I saved from the scrapyard...It has a Shawnee loader and Shawnee backhoe attachment...The loader works off of a hydraulic pump mounted on a shaft from the front crankpulley...the backhoe has a hyd pump mounted to run off the PTO...thus both systems are independent of the tractor hyd system, and more importantly have their own reservoir with capacity to drive the larger rams of a loader or hoe... I'm not an expert, but I'm not sure if the tractor hyd system is designed for pressure or volume requirements of loader or hoe...Just guessing...

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Chuck Hall

04-12-2007 18:05:41
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to Motorken, 04-12-2007 17:52:59  
What year is yours, Didn't know they have a backhoe attachment for these. Guess I will have to look for a auxillery pump!



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Motorken

04-12-2007 19:04:48
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to Chuck Hall, 04-12-2007 18:05:41  
Chuck, I didn't really think about looking for a ser # until it was almost dark out. I took my flashlight and its hard to see with the hoe attachment on there, but could make out a 75571 on te back case... if there is a 1 in front of that then it should be a wd-45 if not then in the wd series...it has a curved shifter, and the block is a 45 series with no inspection cover...
I would have bought the tractor anyway, but even if it is a wd with a 45 block, the matching loader and hoe were cool and it was neat to see how they hooked everything up...there are 3 hyd rams on the loader, and 6 rams used on the hoe...it is really a spaghetti circus with all the hyd lines...
9 rams X 2 lines each...+ supply and return lines...there are something like 30 hydraulic hoses...now multiply that by about $30-35 each...this is going to be a costly restore...not to mention cleaning and rebuilding all the pumps and controls welding, sandblasting painting the loader/hoe...I am probably going to find a nice running tractor, and just start with that and then do the loader first, and then the hoe as time and money allow. I will crawl under tere tomorrow and see if there is any identification on the front pump to help you find something...

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Chuck Hall

04-13-2007 14:38:03
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 Re: WD45 and front end loader...options? in reply to Motorken, 04-12-2007 19:04:48  
Sounds pretty neat! Hope someone can help out soon. There is a AGCO dealer in Eaton just 8 miles north of me. I guess I will have to talk to them. Mine must be a late 55 WD45 with power steering The serial# is 208663 but the book I have states that power steering didi't come on them till 56 which the book says started with 217992 serial#



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