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#213 disc

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mojo

02-17-2003 19:07:08
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i bought this disc with a regular drawbar hitch. all of my cyl hoses stretch tight with this setup and i,m wondering if it shouldn't be snap-coupler hitched. i've yet to find a oem book for this implement, so if anyone has experience with it i sure would appreciate your knowledge! btw, i'm using it with a wd45.




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Here is a picture of the hitch MOJO

02-18-2003 16:54:50
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 Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 19:07:08  

Mojo, Here is a picture of the disk hitched for use with you Traction Booster sytem. The disk in the picture is a 210 and tractor is a D-15 but yours will be similar. For the system to work as it should you'll also need a transport valve. E-mail or ask if if need help wit that.
Butch (OH)

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mojo

02-19-2003 07:13:20
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 Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Here is a picture of the hitch MOJO, 02-18-2003 16:54:50  
by gum a picture is worth a thousand words, and just as many thanks. looks like you've got enough hose to go with either hitch method! i'll ask about the transport valve when the weather warms. thanks again.



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Butch(OH)

02-18-2003 04:23:15
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 Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 19:07:08  
There was two ways to hitch the disk for use with the traction booster. One had a pivot point behind the lift arms for shorter turns. The more common hitch put the tongue in the snap coupler and used a heavy chain running through a roller for lift. This was a very short coupled arrangment, used one for 15 years and once a person got used to not being able to make short turn it worked very well. Scott I would be interested in hearing more about how hitching in front of the the axle is going to make a tractor and disk flip over? It is no different than using a swinging drawbar, or a ridged one for that matter, still pulling from the snap coupler.

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Scott

02-18-2003 08:12:39
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 Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Butch(OH), 02-18-2003 04:23:15  
Butch, you already made the point...on corners, you run the risk of running the equipment into the rear tires. I'm sure you've seen a rear lug grab equipment if you've got the seat time. Yes, you are still pulling from the snap coupler with a draw bar, but you're not pivoting from it (not more than a few degrees anyway with a swinging unit). Just wait for that tire to grab a piece of the equipment, and hope you're faster on the clutch than the equipment is. The snap coupler is meant to be a point of pull, not pivot.

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Butch(OH)

02-18-2003 11:24:50
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 Re: Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Scott, 02-18-2003 08:12:39  
Yep, used to polish he side of the hitch a bit with the back tires, got into it hard more than a few times but never had anything rise or lean. You are correct in that if the mindless aim to get the tires wrapped up in the implement its easier to obtain that goal when the implement is so hitched. However you are incorrect in saying it wasn't designed to be done that way. Allis built a line of equipment that hitched AND pivoted at the coupler including the mentioned disk harrows, grain drills, field cultivators and several others. I am talking about pull-type equipment that hitched to the coupler so that the traction booster system could be used, not mounted stuff. When hitched as designed, the A-C semi mounted disk is one fine outfit. Hitch it any other way it's just another tractor and disk, probaly not as good as their competition.

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Scott

02-17-2003 20:21:46
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 Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 19:07:08  
Exactly how do you plan on connecting it to the snap coupler??? Think about it, the pivot will be IN FRONT of the rear wheels. Not a good point of swinging attachment, if you want to keep the eqipment and tractor right side up!



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JMS/MN

02-17-2003 23:19:43
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 Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Scott, 02-17-2003 20:21:46  
If your load is the same, you're better off pulling it from in front of the rear axle, rather than behind it. And if it is a 'regular' disc, designed to pull from a drawbar, you just need longer hoses.



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Eldon

02-17-2003 19:25:53
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 Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 19:07:08  

It shouldn't make any difference....just buy a longer set of hoses, make up some extensions or shorten your drawbar if you can.



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JJ

02-18-2003 15:01:55
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 Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Eldon, 02-17-2003 19:25:53  
We've pulled a 16 harrowgator with our WD. Pretty hard on that tractor to pull that much but it did it without traction booster or extra ballast. Fitting ground down for good afalfa fields, that thing would pull bunches of dirt to fill the low spots. Yes it pulled dog gone hard but did it with out a problem. Now'a days the 7020 with a disc and harrowgator is just play!



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mojo

02-17-2003 19:37:19
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 Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Eldon, 02-17-2003 19:25:53  
i like to keep things original, or at least know what the original should be. can't tell anything from Norm Swinfords book. for discing i actually use a full mounted 8'er with alot of weight, the 213 is more of a "backup", or so i tell my wife!



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Eldon

02-17-2003 19:49:06
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 Re: Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 19:37:19  

The original hose should have been plenty long for either set-up. I don't regard hoses as oem from AC....



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mojo

02-17-2003 20:12:16
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to Eldon, 02-17-2003 19:49:06  
guess i should have mentioned...i used a cyl i already had cuz the disc didn't come with one. all my cyls have the same length hoses that are used on everything, sickle mowers, planters, ...i could have sworn there were more, but none i can think of offhand! it's just that with the drawbar hitch i can make good tight headland turns, but maybe with a snap-coupler hitch would be just as good. wondering what it was meant to have. p.s. the auction didn't have any ac cyls.

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mojo

02-17-2003 21:12:49
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 20:12:16  
i believe you are both right after adding 2+2. i have one of those traction booster drawbars except without a hitch pin place (it was bolted to a one blade plow-for terracing-i was told). maybe the original pin place broke off. and as for the disc, the hitch is welded so perhaps it was narrowed up for a "regular" hitch, i just thought it was worn too badly or was cobbled from a worn out implement. either way, it was a bit much for the 45 once i added weight to get the depth i wanted and was cumbursome to boot. think i'll stick to my 8'er and sell the #213 with the traction booster drawbar setup to another collector. thanks!

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gatz

02-17-2003 20:42:14
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 20:12:16  
mojo, just puttin' in 2 cents worth here. The pull discs I remember from the 60's that made use of the traction booster had a special hitch. It was similar to what is known now as an "equalizer" hitch (for trailers). It consisted of a snap-coupler drawbar arrangement that had a large long vertical pin where you'd normally see the hitch pin. It was made very heavy and in use would transfer the weight of the disc/tractor to the real wheels just like a plow would do. One of our neighbors had this kind of disc on a D19, but I dont know what the model # was. If memory serves, it wasnt built heavy enough and frequently broke right behind the front of the disc tongue. Unless yours has the large vertical pin and connects to the snap-coupler, I would say it's not set up for TB

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Eldon

02-17-2003 20:33:17
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: #213 disc in reply to mojo, 02-17-2003 20:12:16  

Unless your WD45 is weighted down good you will do a lot of spinning pulling a 12' tandem disc without the use of the traction booster and a transport valve. We had loaded 16.9s on our WD45 Diesel as well as a heavy Du-All loader and we still needed the traction booster. The only reason we made a standard hitch to replace the sc was to be able to pull the disc with a JD 720 diesel.



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