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Allis Chalmers Discussion Forum
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WC Info, Differences Compatibility

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carpetfarmer

06-19-2017 05:46:29




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I have a '41 WC I am getting ready to start working on. I found a donor tractor for $300 but it is a '47. Rims are completely rusted out and engine is assumed to be locked up (muffler gone/manifold packed full of debris and rusted severely) How many changes were made in the 6 year difference? Will most of the parts be interchangeable or very few?

Slightly off topic but still related, are there any websites out there for A/C's like this one for the Ford N Series? I've never been around any Allis until I got his WC from my great uncle. I would like to get more information; learn the specifics and details but so far I'm not finding just a whole lot.

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carpetfarmer

06-20-2017 11:55:11




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to carpetfarmer, 06-19-2017 05:46:29  
Here is the donor tractor. I went and looked at it once (to find the rusted out rims, awful manifold and dry radiator) and walked away because of the 6 yr difference and things just didn't look the same as I remembered mine looking last fall when I was working on it. Then got to kicking myself and thought I would do some deeper research to see what kind of changes were made between the '41 and '47 (thus we are here). The engine is pretty rough on it but the rest of the tractor seems to be in decent shape. I don't know the slightest about the mechanical lift mechanism, so don't have a clue if it's complete or not. I would rather keep my belt pulley anyway, try to keep it the way my great grandpa had it. I know mine is going to need some transmission work, and there are several other bits and pieces that have excessive wear, i.e.: steering shaft and post, etc. Would it be worth the time and money to pick up the donor for parts or just steer clear? Sounds like everything should interchange.

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X-Y switch

06-19-2017 20:21:37




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to carpetfarmer, 06-19-2017 05:46:29  
The "transmission disconnect" could be used to stop the forward motion of the tractor but you had to use the clutch to engage and disengage it, it was not a form of live pto. It was only used to stop the forward motion of the tractor to use the mechanical lift while the tractor was setting still, lifting the cultivator, etc.



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alliskid

06-19-2017 16:45:26




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to carpetfarmer, 06-19-2017 05:46:29  
There are a few differences but not many there where pressed steel rims used in the early styled tractor's. Near the end of world war ii the cast iron used for the rear end was needed for the war effort. There was a transmission disconnect used for roto balers and the combine. It aloud the tractor to stop movement forward but the PTO to still run without engaging the clutch. One of my WC's has some what of a rare aftermarket option a Sherman step up transmission. Gave you 8 forward gears and 2 reverse gear's. Not in your cause but unstyled WC's used a different radiator and also had a one piece hand crank ( allot of them where converted) So the used a steel rear end that was welded. As far as engine all parts will enter change from a WC to WD. I have seen folks that took styled sheet metal and put it on a unstyled tractor. The sheet metal, fenders, and gas tank from a styled to unstyled are different. I own 5 WC's and have had a few others I have sold. I hope this has helped.

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JMS/.MN

06-19-2017 22:38:54




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to alliskid, 06-19-2017 16:45:26  
I have a 1944 model (same as me) WC with the steel rear end and also the Sherman transmission. Slight correction on your description of traction release lever operation...you do need to feather the foot clutch a slight bit to shift the lever out of mesh. You need to step on the clutch and bring the pto machine to a complete stop to lift the lever.



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JoeM(GA)

06-19-2017 12:40:14




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to carpetfarmer, 06-19-2017 05:46:29  
carpetfarmer, shoot me your email, have some PDF's of manuals for you and some other info

Joe



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Aaron SEIA

06-19-2017 09:38:39




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to carpetfarmer, 06-19-2017 05:46:29  
No differences between them that I know of. Google Unofficial Allis and you will find a forum. Not WC specific, but there isn't one that is that I know of.

AaronSEIA



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JMS/.MN

06-19-2017 07:14:34




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to carpetfarmer, 06-19-2017 05:46:29  
If your years are correct, they are both styled tractors and I don"t know of any parts changes. If there are, they would be minor. Do both have the traction disconnect lever below the steering wheel, connected to a cast box behind the transmission?



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carpetfarmer

06-20-2017 11:44:31




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to JMS/.MN, 06-19-2017 07:14:34  

Here are a few pictures I had on my phone of my tractor. What little I have fiddled with it, I vaguely remember having a transmission/traction/rear end disconnect lever somewhere.

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carpetfarmer

06-20-2017 11:28:47




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 Re: WC Info, Differences Compatibility in reply to JMS/.MN, 06-19-2017 07:14:34  
I believe mine does but not sure. Mine has a belt pulley so it might? The donor I'm looking at does not have a belt pulley but it does have at least part of the mechanical lift mechanism.



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