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chuck cambis

03-12-2017 09:59:36




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I have a plow to put on my WD. I am doing extensive repairs and have a manual for the WD 52 & 53 pick up plows. The pictures in the book do not show snap coupler but something looks like snake nose. It also shows an adjuster at the lift arm attachement that's not like mine at all. The plow bottoms like mine are the same as a #24 bottom. The manual shows swing chain only on the landside and does not give an adjustment for how tight or how slack. How do I positively Id. my plow number and where to get a copy of the manual? thanks, chuck.

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dakota dave

03-16-2017 20:13:14




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 09:59:36  
Your plow with the end that looks like a snake head is a pin hitch plow. Pull the pin out that holders your snap coupler bell on back up and put the pin in. You only need the sway chain on the land slide side it's just to keep the plow from hitting the right tire when lifted it should have some slack. A pin hitch plow can't come unhooked. A snap coupler hitch has more side play so a chain is required on each side. Again in should have some slack all its for is to keep the plow from hitting the tire when lifted.

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chuck cambis

03-17-2017 06:44:30




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to dakota dave, 03-16-2017 20:13:14  
Plow swing chains. WE HAVE A WINNER! An answer to why one pic showed one chain and another book showed two. No mention in either book as to what they were for. I have not had the plow on the tractor yet so the plow hitting the tire had not occured to me. I thought that plowing contour hillsides, the chains would give the plow better stability. Thanks to all that replied! chuck.



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hd6gtom

03-15-2017 08:01:19




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 09:59:36  
Chuck I had that happen to me over 30 years ago, I thought I had been shot again, I have a huge scar on my back and have suffered with terrible back pain all those years. I didn't even know there was a spring in the snap coupler bell at the time it happened. If you can post a picture of your plow these guys will tell you anything you want to know about it.



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chuck cambis

03-17-2017 06:34:40




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to hd6gtom, 03-15-2017 08:01:19  
Shot again!?! So can we guess you were promiscuous as a younger man?? Except for the war years, number one cause of death was farm accidents until people started migrating into the cities 20's-40's. Glad you survived but sorry for the huge amounts of pain you must suffer. As I see by the response, readers are not understanding I have a snap couplers plow. The book I have is for a pin hitch plow and it shows a WD on the cover so I thought I had a different plow rather than the same plow with hitch upgrade. Thanks, chuck.

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grampajohn

03-12-2017 21:05:57




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 09:59:36  
the plow laying on top of the tractor above is a 50 series 3 bottom with one removed which makes it a model 53. the 50 series have the standard going straight up and down from the plow frame to the plow bottom. a 60 series plow will have the standard going from the plow frame at an angle to the bottom. the 70 series looks like a 60 series but is adjustible in width at the plow frame.



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Aaron SEIA

03-12-2017 15:02:14




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 09:59:36  
Parts book shows 2 chains on the SC plow and just a right side chain on the pre snap coupler plow. No idea why the change. Both are model 52 or 53 plows.

AaronSEIA



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wellmax99

03-12-2017 13:59:21




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 09:59:36  

chuck,
whatever hitch you have be sure it is proper,
that snap couple hitch can come unhitched, some say it cannot happen, but it has happened
check out a couple of these pictures

be sure the plow and under belly hitch hook are proper and the lift arm releases are in top condition.

do not try piecing together this hitch, all parts must match properly, I used my snap couple equipment for years with no problems, but I always checked that hook spring to be sure it was in good condition and that the top lift arm latches had good strong release springs in place, never had any arms come loose.

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BushogPapa

03-21-2017 08:40:28




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to wellmax99, 03-12-2017 13:59:21  

Obviously that Operator/Owner has little or NO experience with an AC in the 1st place...

The plow is reduced to only 2 bottoms, has NO rear Landslide, the rear wheels are set entirely TOO WIDE and I WILL BET that the Lift Arms are attached with the OLD SET-SCREW Attachments that will NEVER Release on their own.. In fact, that plow in the 2nd picture appears to have those old Killer Set-Screw Connections on it...

Release a "Snap-Coupler" equipped AC plow when it is in the ground and you WILL drive right away from it and not even feel it release..I have CONFIRMED it many times..

LOOK, LISTEN and LEARN...don't carry these old Wives Tales...GET the FACTS..

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CHUCK CAMBIS

03-21-2017 09:59:15




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to BushogPapa, 03-21-2017 08:40:28  
I looked at the picture closely and never saw the missing landslide! I did notice the left wheel was turned out. Maybe to compensate for lack of landslide or maybe better traction in the wet soil? We can't see the right tire so we don't know if it is set correctly or not and if the plow was set level based on his tire setting. How did he correctly set the pitch of the plow front to back without the landslide? thanks, chuck.

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BushogPapa

03-21-2017 08:31:10




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to wellmax99, 03-12-2017 13:59:21  
I have EXPLAINED it before and here it IS again...!!

THERE IS NO WAY the plow with a COMPLETE "Snap-Coupler" Setup can flip up like that...PERIOD....

The rear lift arms WILL have "Snap-Coupled" Release Latches on them that RELEASE at the first hint of pull..THESE SHOULD be INSTALLED on ANY WD/WD-45 even with a "Pin-Type" plow hitching connection.. Without these release Latches, sure the plow can strike you if it comes loose underneath..WITHOUT the Release Latches..

Realistically, every WD should be converted to the COMPLETE "Snap-Coupler" Hitch System..or at LEAST change to the release Latches and ALWAYS Inspect your equipment often..

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chuck cambis

03-12-2017 14:33:28




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to wellmax99, 03-12-2017 13:59:21  
Well Max and agent 99. I pictured this tragety in my mind and know the operator would be struck with the plow before knowing there was a problem! Do you have a swing chain and use it on your plow? Why is there only one? chuck.



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Aaron SEIA

03-12-2017 11:47:36




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 09:59:36  
Sounds like you have a pre snap coupler plow that uses a pin to hold the front. Does it have the T style lift arm ends, or more of a sleeve that slides over the lift arm?

AaronSEIA



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chuck cambis

03-12-2017 15:59:44




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to Aaron SEIA, 03-12-2017 11:47:36  
It has the standard looped end snap coupler draw bar with spring loaded clamsheels on each arm to capture the cross pins of the vertical adjustable link arms. chuck.



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chuck cambis

03-12-2017 12:22:17




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to Aaron SEIA, 03-12-2017 11:47:36  
The plow I have is regular snap coupler and book I have is from before snap coupler. what do I have?



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JMS/.MN

03-12-2017 16:24:41




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to chuck cambis, 03-12-2017 12:22:17  
The plow that Dad bought new in 1956, along with the WD45, had vertical standards, like the one in the pic....The WD plow had curved standards.



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chuck cambis

03-12-2017 20:16:31




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 Re: plow swing chains in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-12-2017 16:24:41  
This discussion seems to be generating a lot more questions than answers. From the pictures in the manuals on ebay I'm guessing my plow is either a late model 52 or 53 or a 62 or 63. From what I've heard and not seen is any kind of a tag or stamping as to model these plows are and their years of manufacture. Got to be a better way to figure this out!?!
The safety information and concerns are greatly appreciated! Thanks, chuck.

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