Allis Chalmers C oil pump

Making some progress on my 1942 Allis Chalmers C. Got the starter back from the repair shop, and with some working on the timing, go it started tonight. That is the good news.

The bad news is no oil pressure. Fortunately only ran it a few seconds. Dropped the pan and pick up tube was in oil. Took off the oil filter and no oil getting to it. Put some oil in a quart container and put the pick up tube in it and turned over the engine. No oil sucked up. No cracks in the pick up tube.

What is the next step?? Ran out time but it looks like splitting the tractor and looking at the oil pump. Read some the threads about the check ball. I know I checked the vanes and spring and they seemed okay, as did the check ball, but I do not know. Looking for any advice. Thanks in advance.
 
Take the line off that comes up from the pump to the filter & fill it with heavy oil to prime the pump gears. Hit the starter & if it spits oil it should be good.
 
So that is the trick. It needs to be primed. I will give it try tomorrow. Thanks much. It would be great if it were an easy solution and I do not have to split the tractor...again!
 
Do you have the correct oil filter on it?? If you do not you will not have oil pressure since it uses a back pressure oil filter to gain oil pressure. I have never had to prime one when I have rebuild those engines
 
In thinking about it, I do not think it is the oil filter since oil is not even getting to the oil filter. Thanks for your thoughts and welcome any more.
 
Since retorquing is needed after the engine has been brought up to normal running temperature I never put the valve cover on until after this is done. I put a hose over the stand pipe that is long enough to lay over the rocker arms. To prime the pump I fill this hose and let it seep down and refill before starting the engine. When oil starts to run out the hose over the rocker arms I shot down the engine, remove the hose, install the oil filter and set the valve cover on. I then start the engine and check to make sure it has oil pressure and let the engine get up to running temperature. I let the engine cool down some and retorque the head and reset the valve clearance.
 
I put in just engine oil and hit the starter (not long though) and it appeared oil was coming back. I put in gear oil and hit the starter briefly and oil came back. Now I did not hit the starter long and I don't know how much oil should come back, but some certainly did.

I checked the lines and blew them out (including the filter) and they seem clear, although some stuff did come out. My mechanic comes out Monday night and we will try again. Trying to prime the oil pump is certainly better than splitting the tractor again. I will keep the list posted.

Thanks
 
You might try pulling the filter off and then pouring some oil into the filter area so as to fill any of the line that sit lower which would help prime the system. As for that number not sure what that would cross to. I use the Wix filters but with out going out and looking not sure of the number on it other then 57???
 
You could take the filter off, have a person hold their finger on the hole in theend of the filter tube while you turn it over with the starter (with the plugs removed) watching for the gauge needle to move. With the hole on the filter tube closed you will get all the oil pressure the pump puts out, the hole is essentially a "leak" in the oil system.
 

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