All Crop 60 Header Question

Bryce Frazier

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Going to be picking up my nearly field ready AC 60 SOON! VERY excited to have it at my home, and in the shop getting ready for this year. It needs several small things, and a good greasing I am sure, but above all, it needs the reel to be rebuilt. . .

When the time comes, I will need to know what length / dimensions of all the pieces will be, and how to put them together!

Right now though, I only have one question. One of the combines has a "4 paddle reel", and the other one has a "6 paddle reel". Both are trashed and need to be rebuilt, and I already don't remember which one is on the good combine.

What is the difference? Is there any reason I should, or should not have one or the other? Thanks, Bryce
 
Bryce, I would rebuild the 6 slat one. You can always slow it down with different pulleys. I cut soybeans this year with My AC 40 and 4 slats and it did fine. If I remember correctly, you are going to plant oats or other small grains. The 6 should work fine.
Richard in NW SC
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1 paddle, 4 paddles, 6 paddles, 30 paddles, it just doesn't matter when it comes to reel speed. RPM's are RPM's and ground speed is ground speed. It doesn't matter how many reel paddles you have in regards to reel RPM's. I would use the RPM's that the machine is designed for.
 
Six paddle will feed the crop into the machine more evenly. You want the speed to be just slightly faster than ground speed- but on the AC, it is fixed, not variable, as on newer combines.
 
Nice looking little 40! Thing is a perfect match for the VAC huh???

Some guy we (AC Buddy and me) know has an All Crop 40 in pretty rough condition, but, it IS all there!!! Have tried to buy it 3 times, but the guy is a total jerk, really just a sob.... Oh well, he can keep it! :p

I will probably go for the 6 paddle reel. As far as I am concerned, it would just help feed crops in a little better, and more evenly, so, why would that hurt anything? Just a little more wood and time! ;)

I have gotten in on a deal with a friend that owns his own distillery. He and I will be working together alternation crops, I will do barely one year, he will do rye, and vise versa.

So, anyone in Idaho, buy and support Mill Town Distillery!! A top shelf Corn or Rye Whiskey, Idaho Potato Vodka, and Barley Rum distillery! ;)
 
The 66 was brought out with a 6 bat as it was found out the 4 bat ones did not feed as they should. There was a 6 bat conversion sold for the 60 to make them feed better. And you did not change speeds any if 4 or 6 bat, kept the same speed, each bat just took a smaller bight and kept the feed smother on the canvas. I think the center of real might have been the same on 66 and 60 conversion and arms same, just the bats 6" longer for wide platform. Had 3 different model 60 combines.
 
Bryce, all the older All Crops had belts on pulleys to run the reels if I remember right. So changing speeds means just changing pulleys.
The VAC is very good on the AC 40.
One word of advice. Never over speed a combine. I have seen them come apart. Always have your tractor engine speed at factory settings. I have seen cylinders come apart because engine speed was set too fast.
Google "Wheatstock 8" for some good videos of All Crops working. Then look at "Allis Chalmers All Crops cutting wheat 100".
Hope you have a manual for setting everything up for various crops. Not that hard to do.
If you need manuals, let me know, I have a good source for them.
Richard
 
That makes sense! Had to change something to make it look bigger better and more expensive on the new model right?! :p

The model of the combine, designates header width right? 60, 60". 66, 66"?

6" is THAT big of a difference, wonder why they went through the fuss of going bigger in the first place.... I had better get looking and see just exactly what I have!!! ;)

Thanks, Bryce
 
The biggest difference is 3" added on each side of the platform. It does not sound like much but when you are trying to cut 2 rows of 40" wide rows of soybeans that little helps a lot. Gives you 13" outside of row instead of 10" for if you wiggle a bit or bean is not standing perfect to get it in without wading it down. I have cut a lot of 40" row beans with a 60 at 5' cut on one row at a time because of the sides of platform to tight to row. 1943, 1944 and 1953 model 60 machines. And the 66 is a 5 1/2' cut, then the 72 was a full 6' cut with auger feed instead of canvas feed.
 

Something interesting about the AC 60 Reels....some had Hinged Bats that had a limiting cloth strap at each hinge and that allowed the Bat to drop straight

Down thru the crop, then sweep back over the cutter-bar..

Not sure if the 6 Bat had them, but I have seen them on the 4 Bat Reels..

Ron..
 
4 bat reel can work just as good as a 6 bat reel. I have several Combines with both reels on. If you want to speed the reel up just put a pulley that is a little bigger on the shaft coming through the bin. First reels on the 60's had a leather strap and hinge on them then went to a fixed position. The six bat reel became an option on the later 60's.
 
One of them DOES have those little hinges on it, but they are of course all rusted up! :p

They looked pretty simple though, are they worth rebuilding? What was the purpose of those hinges, and why did the do away with them?

Sounds like if I just want a working combine, I would be just as well off to not fuss with them huh?
 
I do not know whey they thought that was the way to go. Was found out that bat mounted like that would not feed crop up but just slide over crop. Most were removed as soon as people understood what was happening. A lot of them the bat was just bolted on same arms untill you broke an arm then all new ones for the rigid style were put on. Only put the hinge style on a machine if it is just for show. And the 6 bat was a smother feed and the things about changing speed to get that do not work out in real life. It is not that simple as changing a pully to get different speeds because a small pully belt would be too long, larger belt would be too short and no way to adjust reel for to take care of that problem. Then if you could overcome the belt length problem speeding it up would instead of laying down on canvace it would try to pitch the crop up to cylinder and in doing that be trying to shell out the crop with the reel, wheat not much of problem with that but beans a lot.
 
Just change it to the rigid type unless you want to keep it original. Bryce I have changed the speed of my reel by just changing the pulley at the bin.
 
Sorry last part of comment was for Leroy. If the reel is smother feeding, raise it up. There were improvements to the 60 in every production run. The first ones until serial number 23801 didn't have separate loading elevators and bins.
 
Hey Bryce,

Never seen an all crop, but have read much about them - including recently while reading the book An Industrial Heritage, Allis Chalmers Corporation by Wlater F. Peterson.

IMHO - in the day, they were an excellent harvester, priced and sized right for the smaller farmer.

Good to see an AC in your fleet - all you need now is to add a WD or WD45 in front of it..... ;-)

Good luck,
Bill
 
You know, I hate to admit it, but I bought a WD the other day.... Hauled it home, spent about 15 min driving it around, and turned around and sold it to another guy. I just do NOT fit on the thing!! Horribly uncomfortable to drive, couldn't imagine being on it all day! :

DeltaRed has a Live PTO kit for a Farmall M I am working on getting from him, I can then run it with that, or, just be a big boy, and take care of business without a live pto... Done a lot of things without one already, I think I can do some more huh?!?! ;)

You getting a WD-45?? You sure seem interested in one? Great tractors!!!
 
Bryce,

Actually I have a couple of tractors I'm thinking about adding.

One is a early WD with the straight cut gear tranny the other is a Farmall 400 or 450. I'd also consider a Farmall 300 or 350 too.

Bill
 
Bryce, I agree about the WD. You are tall. I am 5'8" and can't stand to use one. It must have been designed by someone who was 6'. I farmed for an uncle years ago that had a D17. I did not fit it either.
You sure don't need live PTO for a combine. Ran one for years with a 49 JD A. Did a great job on a 60, 66, and then a 72.
An older cousin was running a Case combine years ago with a JD A on a steep slope. While looking back, he ran the tractor off into a ravine. He knew he was going to flip over, so he jumped off. The tractor and combine went down into the ravine and climbed up and out the other side. He ran and got back on the tractor and kept going.
Richard
 
Bryce, the Allis WC< WD or WD45 I have never tried getting on one, just looking at them I know I could not get on and if I did somehow manage to get on I could not get off. And I am about 5'5" now having shrunk a bit from when I was your age. I could never get my foot over to that clutch pedal.
 
Depends what you are going to do with it, but I would jump right to that 400 / 450.... Would easily handle that swather you bought, and the new baler... Probably like it more than the shiny Green one you have at the farm! :p
 
Well, I am 6'6, and have size 16 boots.

First of all, my right knee didn't fit between the steering wheel and the right fender. I could NOT get my foot onto the brake pedals quickly at all, literally took me a few seconds on concentration to figure out what was going on, not ideal in a panic / breaking situation!!!

Then my left foot. I could easily opperate the clutch, but, it was such a weird position / motion to go through. The hand clutch I couldn't use because I couldn't pull it far enough back to engage it with being caught in my leg, had to have it engaged when I got on, then wrap my leg around it! :p

Just, very uncomfortable. My H and M Farmalls are just nice, smooth riding machines, big tires, lots of power, easily on and off, just, nice. I think it is mostly what you are used to, and I am used to Farmalls! Plus they are SO pretty! :)
 
I don't know, Bryce, somehow I'm thinking if I had a brain, I'd get another well tuned Massey Ferguson w/Perkins diesel.... :)

Bill
 
Yep, I think that would be a really solid choice!! I ALMOST bought a 285 in need of a rebuild... Would have been in it $3000 by the time I was done, but, that is CHEEEEEEEP for that much tractor around here!
 

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