XT 190...How many bottoms?

Farmall43 · May 10, 2015

I have an XT 190 series III and am starting to look for a plow for it. I know little about these tractors as the rest of mine are red. I know a 50 HP will pull 4-14 in mellow ground and 2-14 in heavy clay sod. What is the range for this tractor?

Thanks all for the help.
Matt

midwesternhayfarmer · May 10, 2015

Neighbor had two tractors, 930 case, 70 horse, 5 - 16 case plow. 806 farmall, 84 horse, 5 - 16 Oliver plow. I plowed 8 year alfalfa ground with a 300 farmall pulling a John Deere 2 -14 clutch plow. It was all it could handle. Someone once told me 16 horse per bottom. That would depend on width of each bottom.

I was doing some calculating based on the neighbors setup and figured a 5 -16 plow was turning 80 inches of soil. Seems like one horsepower per inch of plow would be a good rule of thumb.

190XT shows 79 horse. 5 - 16 bottom in decent soil would be max.

VicS · May 10, 2015

5 was what pulled with them when new. But we found. Would pull 5 - 16 @ 4 mph. And 4-16 @ 5 mph. So what you get done is the same. 4 would sure be easier on it.

wvfarmboy · May 10, 2015

these tractors are stromg enough to pull any thing u have question is how much plow want andbe carefull it has enough powerto tear up if u fing abig rock.

Mikein Ky · May 10, 2015

190 is about 79 horse, XT is about 94. I pulled 5 when new, I would try 4 bottom now. Easier on the old tractor. Allis was real bad about under rating their tractors. I once bought a 200 that was less than a year old, had not had the pump touched. It was rated 94 horse and it dynoed 116. I knew when I first used it, that it would eat my 4020 for lunch. Although the 4020 was a lot nicer to drive all day.

2510Paul · May 10, 2015

When I was a teen we had an early 190XT and then a 200. In both cases we used a 4 x 16" Allis semi-mount plow, first a trip bottom and then an auto-reset. These tractors had a lot of power, the biggest issue was keeping the front end on the ground. Our soil varied from clay to very rocky and some combination. If I was in your place I would do 4 x 16" semi-mount. But of course your soil type might be lighter.

Our first one was an early one, I split the entire rear end while plowing a head land one day. There was a pop and then oil on the ground. I stopped and got off. I walked around to the back of the tractor only to be able to look up into the rear casting and see the final drive gears. The right tire was tilted towards the fender. After getting my dad, we detached the plow and drove it very slowly to where the dealer truck could pick it up.

I understand the Series III had many rear end improvements. The 200 even more.

Paul

Farmall43 · May 10, 2015

So from the sounds of it 4-18 would be about right for it then. The guy has a IH 710 6 bottom that he used with it and his 200. I just do not think I need that many bottoms on a tractor that is almost as old as I am. Although I do still pull 4-14 with my 56 Farmall 400D. But it is also half the horse power of the XT.Thanks for all the wisdom guys and if anything else please do share.

Matt

fastfarmall · May 11, 2015

A 5x16 in plow is a good choice, but dont pull the power director back under full Load,Put the foot clutch in,then Pull the power director back, then let out the foot clutch, There is a tremendous shock load that goes thru the final drive,if u use the power director as intended,so dont do it, please!

BANDITFARMER · May 11, 2015

I have had 2 different 4x18" semi mount plows and I will tell you for a fact that they will pull harder than a set of 5x16" semi mount plows. Our 1850 Oliver would pull an Oliver 565 5x16" semi mount plow in 5th gear and flat out move with it like it was nothing, Put and AC or IH 4x18" semi mount plow on it and it was 4th gear black smoke rolling and it was pulling it's guts out and run hot. Put the Oliver 5x16" semi mount plow back on in the same field 5th gear no smoke and back to pulling easy and not getting it hot. I now know why I bought them so cheep at a sale, I sold them both to a guy who for what I gave for them to get rid of them. Find a Oliver 565 5x16" semi mount plow they pull easer and do a better job plowing. I pull an Oliver 565 4x16" semi mount plow with my Oliver 1550 diesel and it's only 54hp so what do you think? In the pic dad is plowing with it in 4th hi and blowing smoke but 4th under it don't smoke at all, And it dose a good job don't you think? Bandit

Traditional Farmer · May 12, 2015

Oliver plows always did have a reputation for being the easiest to pull.

BPM75 · May 13, 2015

I don't know how your soil is compared to ours but when those tractors were new my dad and grandad pulled a 6-16 semi mount plow but they ran a dual, fluid in tires and wheel weights, I have one now and pulled a 5-16 with it a couple weeks ago and handled it with no problem, I have wheel weight and no fluid. Now with that being said I agree with what was said earlier these tractors are approaching 50 years old and no need to work them like when they were new, so to answer hour question a 4-16 or 4-18 would be a good size.

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Farmall43 · May 14, 2015

I found a 4-18 Oliver high clearance in an up coming auction. I will keep an eye on it. Thanks for all the input and suggestions! On a side note what is an Oliver high clearance plow worth? I figure $125-$150 a bottom?

Thanks,
Matt

BPM75 · May 14, 2015

I would say the would get ya pretty close, depends on if there is an oliver guy there that just has to have it and it could go higher but seems like auction prices on plows around vary quite a bit.

DrAllis · May 15, 2015

If you look at any advertising literature from the late 60's, A-C always pictured the mighty 190XT with a 5 bottom plow. Although by comparison to a D-17 or WD-45 pulling 3-16's, the new tractors back in the day were pulling 5 bottoms deeper than the old tractors did. That was the trend of the day.

NEKS · May 16, 2015

fastfarmall you have me sweating thinking about the damage I could of done to my D-19. Plowing brome sod with 4-14's, with 16.9-38 tires full of fluid. Plowed in low with power director on low side most of the time. Tires never slipped or very little if did.
Now don't know what I did with the block you are suppose put back in when not using the snap coupler traction booster.

tomstractorsandtoys · May 17, 2015

My grandfather bought a new 190XT and got a new Allis 6 bottom 16 inch hyd reset plow with it and pulled it just fine. Dads 4020 would pull it but the temp guage found the red zone very fast. But at the local tractor pulls Dad's 4020 always beat the XT. Today I would buy a four bottom and enjoy your plowing as with a five or six it becomes work real fast. I had 5 on my 4020 and found that with a 4 going 1 or 2 gears faster I plow almost as much and enjoy it much more. Tom

fastfarmall · May 17, 2015

But that wasn't hydraulic controlled power director, that was manual , that you had control of that, and no way did that create the same kind of schock load to the final drive as the XT does!

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